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Chad Lanier


From:
Georgia, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:35 am     Reply with quote

I stumbled upon a used Carter Starter 10 string at a local music store over the past weekend, and noticed they had the pedal bars attached as shown below:



Although I'm new to the world of pedal steels, as are the kind folks at my local music store, is this an acceptable technique of setting up? Or is this entirely incorrect? I know I've never seen one setup like this before...

Any help you may have would be much appreciated. They are asking 1100 for it with a gig bag. Would you pass or play?
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Jack Hanson


From:
San Luis Valley, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:48 am     Reply with quote

Pass.
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Lee Baucum


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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:58 am     Reply with quote

Pass! Even if they had assembled it properly...pass!
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Greg Lambert


From:
Illinois, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:58 am     Reply with quote

thats a good place for it .. a display in a music store ..
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Paul Wade


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mundelein,ill
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 8:08 am     carter starter Reply with quote

yes it is setup wrong. i would not pay more than $800.00. if ,you buy it have some one who knows pedal steel to set it up for you.it will get you started in the pedal steel world..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1TvjnlYHM

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Bryan Daste


From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 8:59 am     Reply with quote

LOL! Somebody should have googled "pedal steel" before setting it up like that!

Like this pedal steel icon in Logic Pro - kinda made me laugh that the legs are straight, the pedals are huge and too close to the center, the pedal rods go THROUGH the rack (how are they pulling anything?), and there are no knee levers. A designer sat there and created this...how? Without ever looking at a picture of a real pedal steel?


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Richard Sinkler


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Oakdale, California
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 9:18 am     Reply with quote

Not only did it get set up "wrong", but someone put a lot of work to move the pedals from the keyhead end to the changer end. Then to move the undercarriage parts to the changer end. Maybe a left hander. I would never buy that guitar, and not for more than 3 to 4 hundred if I lost my mind and wanted to buy it.
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Chad Lanier


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Georgia, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:13 am     Reply with quote

Wow, good catch on the pedals being moved - that's something I hadn't considered, and would be a major deal breaker for me now that I think about it.

I appreciate everyone's insight into the matter and I think I'll pass on this one. But at a minimum, I'll be able to pass this knowledge on to the shop, who may learn something as well (like basic setup!).
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Jay Jessup


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Charlottesville, VA, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:30 am     Reply with quote

They probably just mounted the pedal bar upside down and didn't really change anything on the pedal bar or guitar. Some big time wing nuts at work here for sure!!
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Fred Treece


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California, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:48 am     Reply with quote

It's the M.C. Escher model. He ordered it from Carter and it is the only one ever made. Priceless.
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Jim Sliff


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Lawndale California, USA
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:53 am     Reply with quote

Handy if you have a parrot that likes to climb up the pedal rods. Lousy if you want to actually play it.

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Richard Sinkler


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Oakdale, California
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:58 am     Reply with quote

Jay Jessup wrote:
They probably just mounted the pedal bar upside down and didn't really change anything on the pedal bar or guitar. Some big time wing nuts at work here for sure!!


You're probably right. I'd love (or maybe hate) to see where the hooks on the pedal rods are hooked up.
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Jeff Mead


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London, England
Post Posted 20 Dec 2017 11:44 am     Reply with quote

Jay Jessup wrote:
They probably just mounted the pedal bar upside down and didn't really change anything on the pedal bar or guitar. Some big time wing nuts at work here for sure!!


Not sure about that - the rods that go diagonally are way longer than the one that goes vertically.

I'd love to see a shot of the underside!
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Ned McIntosh


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New South Wales, Australia
Post Posted 21 Dec 2017 1:48 pm     Reply with quote

Not only would I leave that one in the store, I'd also ask them to pay you money for just looking at it! Laughing
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Dan Kelly


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Boston, USA
Post Posted 21 Dec 2017 2:38 pm     Reply with quote

Innovative way to go from Emmons to Day set up! Why didn't I think of that! Very Happy
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Jerry Overstreet


From:
Louisville Ky
Post Posted 21 Dec 2017 2:58 pm     Reply with quote

Back in the day, people around these parts used to X rods all the time when sitting in on an different setup.
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Mickey Adams


From:
Bandera Texas
Post Posted 27 Dec 2017 1:25 am     Reply with quote

Wow...LMAO..Looks like a "Guitar Center" pro setup job..
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Post Posted 27 Dec 2017 1:30 am     Reply with quote

Wow...LMAO
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Jeff Garden


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Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
Post Posted 27 Dec 2017 3:57 am     Reply with quote

The original owner started out on lap steel and thought that was how you played "slants" on a pedal steel
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Bobby D. Jones


From:
West Virginia, USA
Post Posted 1 Jan 2018 9:59 pm     Contrevearsal Setup Technique Reply with quote

I have set and looked at this picture for quite a while. It looks as if the legs in the back of the guitar are at a longer angle than the front legs.
It looks as if the front legs which would have the pedal bar attachment hardware are on the back of the guitar, And the back legs are on the front.

I believe the rods are just hooked to something not the actual pedal rod levers connector holes on the cross rods. Looks as if the rods are hooked 180 degrees from where they should be. and to what????

If the legs was removed and rotated 180 degrees under the guitar. the pedals would be under the front of the tuner head and then it should hook up correct. And look like a guitar most of us know and sit down to.
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Jack Hargraves


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Missouri, USA
Post Posted 2 Jan 2018 2:51 pm     Reply with quote

it is absolutely set up wrong. Whoever did it didn,t have a clue. I would probably pass on it.
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Bob Sykes


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North Carolina
Post Posted 2 Jan 2018 7:29 pm     Reply with quote

Pedal bar and pedals upside down based on which side the rod is attached to pedal. (Rods normally on keyhead side of pedal)

Cannot tell if legs are reversed but unlikely imho.

No telling where pedal rods are attached underneath but missing knee levers may have something to do with it.

Price is way too high even if guitar was like new condition.
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Mickey Adams


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Post Posted 3 Jan 2018 12:05 pm     Reply with quote

This guitar was simply setup
By a Guitar Center Professional..everything is in the wrong place..
He flunked hi IQ test..
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Doug Hall


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Alabama, USA
Post Posted 10 Jan 2018 7:56 am     mixup Reply with quote

Ah....nah. I think somebody is pulling somebody else's leg.
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