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Ian Rae


From:
Redditch, England
Post Posted 3 Nov 2017 2:44 pm     Reply with quote

Apart from GFI, which has a dealer in the UK, what other makers are there who make keyless unis and would ship to this country? Not being lazy, but I can't find a search which helps.
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Sonny Jenkins


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New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
Post Posted 3 Nov 2017 3:57 pm     Reply with quote

I would think Excel and Williams for sure??
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Marty Broussard


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Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
Post Posted 3 Nov 2017 4:20 pm     Reply with quote

Ian,
Lamar Colvin would likely build you a keyless unit. You should be able to find him via the forum of google.

Good luck,
MB
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Doc Hall


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Galveston, Tx
Post Posted 3 Nov 2017 4:26 pm     Reply with quote

Excel will ship. Check out their website.
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steve takacs


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beijing, china via pittsburgh
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 3:23 am     Reply with quote

How about a second hand KLINE guitar? Why not put an ad in the WANTED section here in the Forum and in some of the Forums in Europe, Australia and New Zeeland ? Good luck, steve t
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Ian Rae


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Redditch, England
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 4:42 am     Reply with quote

I would love a Kline - in fact the one I built myself was modeled on it in many respects. I do look out but they don't come up too often.

It's surprising that so few current makers offer keyless tuners, but I suppose they know the market.
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Bruce Derr


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Lee, New Hampshire, USA
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 8:38 am     Reply with quote

I would never buy a new steel that wasn't keyless, but I suppose I'm in the minority.
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Ken Campbell


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Ferndale, Montana
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 9:01 am     Reply with quote

Johnie King makes a keyless
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Johnie King


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Tennessee, USA
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Johnie King


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Tennessee, USA
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 9:38 am     Reply with quote

Marty Dose Lamar still build I always wanted one of his keyless steels.
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Bruce Derr


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Lee, New Hampshire, USA
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 10:34 am     Reply with quote

There's also Sierra, and the one I'm most intrigued by, OnTrak.
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Malcolm McMaster


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Beith Ayrshire Scotland
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 11:11 am     Reply with quote

Ian, saw the Excel at Dallas Show.

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Johnie King


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Tennessee, USA
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 12:32 pm     Reply with quote

That Exel looks good bet it almst plays it self.
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b0b


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Northern California
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 1:13 pm     Reply with quote

If you can afford the wait, a batch of ten new Sierras is being made. www.sierrasteels.com/products/pedal-steel-guitars.html
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Ian Rae


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Redditch, England
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 1:20 pm     Reply with quote

I'm not sure it's the wait I can't afford! I would love a Sierra, but they do promise to be a lot pricier than anything that's gone before. But I shall follow their progress.
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Paul Sutherland


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Placerville, California
Post Posted 4 Nov 2017 3:24 pm     Reply with quote

BMI
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Norbert Dengler


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Post Posted 5 Nov 2017 3:36 am     Reply with quote

http://www.schildsteel.com/cms/index.php?page=G060011
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Ian Rae


From:
Redditch, England
Post Posted 6 Nov 2017 5:06 am     Reply with quote

Thanks for all the various responses. The BMI website says it's undergoing repair - does that mean they're still in business or no?

Schild are clearly well-engineered, but their keyless tuner misses the point I think, as it's as long as a conventional one and has just as much length of string between the nut and the puller.

I'm still surprised at how complicated many/most/all keyless tuners are compared to the one I built with simple tools. It works perfectly, holds the string still so it doesn't have to roll on anything, and is less than 2" long. I am not a genius - it's just a miniature pull-release changer!


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steve takacs


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beijing, china via pittsburgh
Post Posted 6 Nov 2017 6:50 am     Reply with quote

Ian, your keyless tuner shines with an elegant simplicity. I prefer playing keyless guitars myself for the smaller size and ease of changing strings, which can be seen on this one you designed. The one I have in Beijing fits in a saxophone case.

My problem is I have never broken a string on my Klines and rarely change strings because I am so lazy. Stevet
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Sonny Jenkins


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New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
Post Posted 6 Nov 2017 7:20 am     Reply with quote

Ian, here are some pics of my keyless tuner, a slightly modified Kline tuner, very simple, less than 1" from nut to tuner contact.

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=310196&highlight=keyless+tuners

Of course this is a lap steel,,,I am currently rebuilding a "keyed" S10 Cougar that will probably wind up being keyless since conventional tuning keys seem senseless to me (as they seem to to some of the worlds premier builders)
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Damir Besic


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Nashville,TN.
Post Posted 7 Nov 2017 2:09 pm     Reply with quote

Ian Rae wrote:
I would love a Kline - in fact the one I built myself was modeled on it in many respects. I do look out but they don't come up too often....


it will be here tomorrow...






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Sonny Jenkins


From:
New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
Post Posted 7 Nov 2017 2:44 pm     Reply with quote

Hey Damir,,,first SD10 I've seen,,,must not have been very many made. I think Joe made more 12 string uni's than anything.
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Damir Besic


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Nashville,TN.
Post Posted 7 Nov 2017 2:49 pm     Reply with quote

Sonny Jenkins wrote:
Hey Damir,,,first SD10 I've seen,,,must not have been very many made.


right, thats what I was thinking, I have only seen a very few Kline's and they were all U12 , I don;t think I've ever seen SD10 before ... this one is arriving tomorrow, and can't wait to check it out... Smile
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Ian Rae


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Redditch, England
Post Posted 1 Dec 2017 3:20 pm     Reply with quote

Can anyone with a recent model Excel tell me how many raises/lowers there are on the changer? From pictures I've found it looks like plenty but I can't see exactly.

Thanks
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Damir Besic


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Post Posted 1 Dec 2017 3:24 pm     Reply with quote

Ian Rae wrote:
Can anyone with a recent model Excel tell me how many raises/lowers there are on the changer? From pictures I've found it looks like plenty but I can't see exactly.

Thanks


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