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Jack Hargraves


From:
Missouri, USA
Post Posted 9 Oct 2017 10:26 am     Reply with quote

I have a GFI EXPO SD 10 and I was in a recording session 2 weeks ago. I didn't want to line out, I wanted to mike my amp, but the mike was picking up the noises from my pedals and levers. even the screen behind the mike didn't help. The only solution was to either move the steel farther from the amp or line out. I have played with other musicians at jams, etc., and at home and I didn,t think it made that much noise. Anybody else have that problem? I have tried to quieten down the pedals, but nothing seems to work.
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Greg Cutshaw


From:
Corry, PA, USA
Post Posted 9 Oct 2017 11:37 am     Reply with quote

Crank the amp up and the mic way down and use a mic with an SM-57 like pattern.
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Richard Sinkler


From:
Oakdale, California
Post Posted 9 Oct 2017 12:35 pm     Reply with quote

If you are in a studio that is large enough, move the amp as far as you can away from you. You can have the engineer have you up in your earphones. I've done sessions where they put my amp in an isolation box to stop any bleed from other instruments on my track. Should eliminate pedal noise too. I've even had them put my amp in the vocal isolation booth.

I none of those are an option, then I second Greg's suggestion. Of course, if you are recording the whole band at once, cranking up the volume might not work because you might bleed over to someone else's track. If you are alone in the studio, crank it up to where the pedals cant be heard and let the engineer handle the stronger signal he will get with your louder amp.

When I had my own little studio in an apartment, I had to put my amp in a closet with quilts over the amp and mic. Killed 2 birds with one stone (too loud for an apartment and outside noise.
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Jack Hargraves


From:
Missouri, USA
Post Posted 9 Oct 2017 1:40 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for your input. it has been most helpful. I have another session tomorrow in a small studio. I think we'll make it work.
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ajm


From:
Los Angeles
Post Posted 9 Oct 2017 3:54 pm     Reply with quote

Things that you didn't say:
What type of mic were you using?

How loud and what instruments were at the session?
Solo steel only?
Steel and vocals only?
Steel and bluegrass ensemble only?
Etc etc etc

Was the pedal noise actually from the pedals, or was it noise being picked up through the amp?

If the amp is open back, you could try putting the mic behind the amp. (Might work, might not.)

Was the noise coming from the pedals, or pull rods/undercarriage, or.....?
There have been several topics/threads on quieting down a PSG, some of them specifically dealing with a GFI. You could try doing a forum search, probably under "Pedal Steel" and not "Steel Players".
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Dale Rottacker


From:
Tacoma Washington, USA
Post Posted 10 Oct 2017 8:26 am     Reply with quote

Jack I recorded this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pknuzY0bVB0 ) a couple of years ago with an SM-57, Profex ll and a Session 500... I was worried about pedal noise as well, but eliminated it like this... My amp was just to the left of me as was my mic which I could reach out and touch while playing... what I ended up doing was to put a Standard size Form pillow between the mic and my back left guitar leg as a barrier between the mic and my steel... I just leaned the pillow up against the amp with the mic perhaps a foot from the pillow... that seemed to isolate the guitar from the mic fairly well... if you hear pedal noise, your ears are better than mine Smile Smile Smile
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Jack Hargraves


From:
Missouri, USA
Post Posted 10 Oct 2017 10:04 am     Reply with quote

Dale, that sounds good! Thanks for your input. I finally tried the same thing. Problem solved. I appreciate all the input for you guys.
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Dale Rottacker


From:
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Post Posted 11 Oct 2017 6:32 am     Reply with quote

Jack Hargraves wrote:
Dale, that sounds good! Thanks for your input. I finally tried the same thing. Problem solved. I appreciate all the input for you guys.

Glad that worked for you Jack... I go mostly direct these days just for the ease of it... I find too that if I’m playing to a track, going direct I don’t have to use headphones like I did when mic’ing the amp... I alway find I have extra ringing in my ears after recording with headphones and I have enough ringing there already... LOL
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Bobby D. Jones


From:
West Virginia, USA
Post Posted 12 Oct 2017 7:38 pm     Pedal Noise Reply with quote

Make sure the thumb nuts are tight and the clamps are holding the pedal bar tight against the legs. I had that problem with my GFI S 12 U. Tuesday night at a jam. The pedal bar dropped down, When I pushed on a pedal the pedal bar raised up and made a whack sound, When it hit the off set on the leg. I bought guitar used and there was a piece of foam cut and slid between the pull rods. When I took the foam out the rods rattled. I rerouted a couple rods that was hitting other rods and now the foam is laying on the shelf, Just a couple thoughts from another GFI peddler.
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Barry Blackwood


Post Posted 13 Oct 2017 10:02 am     Reply with quote

Yep - the foam will stop the rod rattle and some strategically applied lubricant should should suffice for the rest in most cases.. Smile
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David Cubbedge


From:
Toledo,Ohio, USA
Post Posted 17 Oct 2017 3:44 am     Reply with quote

While only being somewhat relevant to the topic, I just read a bio on Hank Thompson that said he preferred straight steel players because he didn't like the pedal noise....
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Ian Rae


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Post Posted 17 Oct 2017 4:10 am     Reply with quote

Barry Blackwood wrote:
some strategically applied lubricant

Thin gun- or sewing-machine type oil is fine at the changer end of things, but for the cruder parts of the mechanism consider something heavier. On my horns that have rotary valves I use proprietary valve oil on the rotors but on the linkage I use auto transmission oil which deadens any play.
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