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Jeff Hogsten


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 8:51 am     Reply with quote

Does anyone know any of the bar slants Lloyd green uses.
Also what size bar he uses.
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Dave Campbell


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 11:23 am     Reply with quote

check out the tabs available from jan jonsson. lots of interesting bar slants, including quite a few in combination with the 2nd string half and whole lowers. pretty good ear workout.

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=287627
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Tommy Detamore


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 12:44 pm     Reply with quote

Lloyd is The Slantmeister !

There are a few cool ones in the first 25 seconds of this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kIaepr9VRw
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Jeff Garden


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 1:13 pm     Reply with quote

Those are some sweet moves, Tommy Smile Lloyd and Mike Auldridge on the same tune...whoa!
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Charley Hill


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 1:24 pm     Reply with quote

Tommy Detamore wrote:
Lloyd is The Slantmeister !


AMEN Brother. He made BAR slants cool!
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Tommy Detamore


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 1:34 pm     Reply with quote

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Those are some sweet moves, Tommy Smile Lloyd and Mike Auldridge on the same tune...whoa!



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AMEN Brother. He made BAR slants cool!



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Howard Parker


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 1:35 pm     Reply with quote

Jeff Garden wrote:
Those are some sweet moves, Tommy Smile Lloyd and Mike Auldridge on the same tune...whoa!


Yeah...Recorded together for the first and only time on the "Master Sessions" . Scroll down a bit on page. The CD is oh so tasty.

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Jeff Garden


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 2:06 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks, Howard...I just ordered it!
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b0b


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Post Posted 9 May 2017 9:48 pm     Reply with quote

Bill Stroud (BJS) sold me a bar that he said was the same model that Lloyd uses. It's the standard 7/8" diameter but it's shorter, about 3 1/16". I use it all the time.
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Jeff Hogsten


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Flatwoods Ky USA
Post Posted 11 May 2017 12:01 pm     Reply with quote

I have a bar I got from Billy Cooper years ago Sounds like the same size. I like it and may switch. Certainly feels better to me to do a slant
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Greg Cutshaw


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Corry, PA, USA
Post Posted 11 May 2017 12:31 pm     Reply with quote

The entire Master Sessions can be heard here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKhhUd-7XCg&list=PLvBqshwAtNdo0VKrNlikGwb5q9-wRrrSt&index=1
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Drew Pierce


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Arkansas, USA
Post Posted 11 May 2017 2:36 pm     Reply with quote

Bar slants are, IMO, among the least of Lloyd Green's brilliant playing techniques.
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Drew Pierce


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Post Posted 11 May 2017 2:51 pm     Reply with quote

To be clear, I LOVE Lloyd Green. He was among my first, fundamental influences. But bar slants are basically a relic of the non-pedal era. Most of the time you see Buddy, Lloyd and other great players use them for fun and to make new players go crazy trying to copy them.
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Tommy Detamore


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Post Posted 11 May 2017 6:19 pm     Reply with quote

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But bar slants are basically a relic of the non-pedal era. Most of the time you see Buddy, Lloyd and other great players use them for fun and to make new players go crazy trying to copy them.


While slants may have certainly been a staple of non-pedal playing, to me, even on pedal guitars, they have a distinctive emotive quality that can be hard to duplicate with pedal and knee changes, even those that perform the same string changes that the slants emulate. There is just something about certain tensions that can be created with two and three note slants that are so special and unique to the slanting techniques.

Moreover, slants can be used effectively to essentially expand one's copedent beyond what is shown on paper. In the case of Lloyd's slants in the segment referenced in the video above, he uses them to create passages that would otherwise be unobtainable by using just the pulls on his guitar.

And while slants are surely used "for fun" at times, I would maintain that they are used more so as a serious tool to expand one's vocabulary and convey emotion.
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Post Posted 11 May 2017 8:34 pm     Reply with quote

I use bar slants to get notes that aren't available with pedals and levers. Now and then I use them for emotional effect, too. But most of the time it's because I need a note I can't get otherwise.
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Lane Gray


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Topeka, KS
Post Posted 13 May 2017 7:59 am     Reply with quote

Buddy used a reverse slant instead of the F lever to get the dominant7 and diminished chord because of its effect on the relationship between 5 and 6.
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Tommy Detamore


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Post Posted 13 May 2017 8:58 am     Reply with quote

Lane Gray wrote:
Buddy used a reverse slant instead of the F lever to get the dominant7 and diminished chord because of its effect on the relationship between 5 and 6.


An example of one of the tensions I was referring to. The 6th string in that slant will be "out", but in a cool way that would not be the same if the F lever was used instead of the slant.

Dicky Overbey also used this slant to great effect. And Buddy Charleton showed me this slant during the first lesson I ever took from him back in '77. I struggled to keep the bar from flying out of my hand and rolling across the floor! But thankfully I eventually got it.
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jay thompson


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east peoria, il USA
Post Posted 13 May 2017 10:07 am     Lloyd's bar slants Reply with quote

Two or three years ago, someone was selling nose heavy, 3/4inch diameter, 3&1/4 inch long, SS bars in the Forum "New Products" section. It does make slants much easier.
Regards, Jay Thompson
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