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Fish


Post Posted 12 Mar 2017 7:18 pm     Reply with quote

Although I don't want to issue a press release this evening or take out an ad on a Tennessee I-40 billboard, I can say that the work Buddy Emmons and I started together in May 2010 - and discontinued at his request in December of that year - has resumed with his estate's blessing. This is a towering task, and I'm determined to do the best job I possibly can, and this means it will take time.

Here is what Buddy and I had to say publicly about the discontinuation of our project back in 2010:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=197856&sid=1d843e1c1d31b0aa31e0a0bf62bc769c

I'll make a more formal announcement this summer. In the meantime, thank you in advance for your interest in the project. I won't be able to answer any emails or PMs regarding this until June.

I will finish when its ready and I'll let you know about its publication here first.

To Michael: You mentioned you have unpublished photos of Buddy in Calumet "Sin" City, IL. Bingo! Could they have been taken at the Yo-Yo Club? I'm jumping into a very busy week, but I will contact you offline about your collection, about Leonard Feather's rumored review and much more sometime before next weekend. Thank you for mentioning your photo collection here and also for the cool Buddy material and photos you've posted on the SGF...especially your copy of the Downbeat review. :0)

To Richard Nelson: I applaud the dissertation research you are doing towards your masters degree. I'm midway through my own work so I'm afraid I can't offer you much help, but I want to congratulate you on your idea and encourage you to keep moving forward.

thank you,

Steve "Fish" Fishell
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Frank Freniere


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Chicago, IL
Post Posted 13 Mar 2017 5:32 am     Buddy's biography Reply with quote

Super news, Steve - who will play Buddy in the movie? Smile
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Luke Moldof


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Post Posted 13 Mar 2017 2:39 pm     Reply with quote

Hi all,
Sorry if this is off topic but I was wondering if anybody knows where one can purchase a new copy of the Black Album? I really apologize and know this is probably a novice question but if anyone could let me know I,d really appreciate it. I'm new to the steel world and would love to be able to hear this as it seems to be the holy grail. I've been able to track down most of his other records but short of paying $100 on Discogs I haven't been able to find any other copies for sell.

Much appreciated and sorry to bother you all with this,
Luke
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Michael Lee Allen


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Post Posted 14 Mar 2017 3:59 pm     Reply with quote

Luke...
There aren't going to be any "new" copies of "The Black Album". Like any "ethnic" or "specialty" recording that was done on a small label and either sold direct, mail order, and in this case through a handful of resellers like Scotty's, Tom Bradshaws's PSGP, and the few stores that specialized in steel guitars...there were not many copies pressed and over forty years later all I can say is good luck finding one in any condition. Few people who own it would want to sell it. Expect to pay $50 or more from a dealer for a clean copy. Your best bet would be to ask in the "Wanted" section of the classifieds and hope somebody here has it loaded up in their computer and burns you a disc. Who knows where the original master tape is and what condition it's in, let alone who has the legal ownership of it. It's never been reissued. There was an attempt to sell bootleg CD copies several years back on eBay, the guy who tried it was in violation of so many regulations that he was thrown off eBay.

Calumet City...
All that scene was before my time. I heard about it second-hand from guys who actually played there. The idea that it was some kind of "Hillbilly Las Vegas" is nuts. Back then it was just another far south suburb, mostly working class and white. The "strip" was probably a couple of blocks and a half-dozen bars on Torrance Avenue. Facts are that Calumet City borders on the east with the Indiana state line and Hammond. Indiana has or had all kinds of "blue laws" regarding liquor sales varying from one jurisdiction to another, no sales of "package goods" on Sundays, and earlier closing hours than Illinois. On the west side CC is bordered by Phoenix and South Holland, founded by Dutch Protestant immigrants who legally banned bars and all liquor sales. So Calumet City filled the demand for booze. And that area back then was home to all kinds of heavy and medium industry, with plenty of unskilled or semi-skilled jobs available. So, you had hillbilles coming up to work, usually single guys with the families staying back home in Kentucky or Tennessee. They were disliked and discriminated against so they simply hung out together in the bars that would have them and the music followed. Once the factories and steel mills downsized or closed the jobs dried up and those people all went back home or moved up to the north side or the industrial NW suburbs. Calumet City has been majority black for many years now. I work with guys from Harvey and Chicago Heights and I knew they shopped at the big River Oaks Mall at the south end of CC so I called and asked them what it's like now. Basically they laughed at the idea of any trace of country music being there, any bar would most likely have a digital jukebox full of rap, modern "urban", and local "Chi-Soul".
No idea of the "Yo-Yo Club". Just pictures taken with a cheap B&W camera inside of bars, groups of guys with instruments in partial view. One guy was identified as drummer Henry Shire. He ended up in Bakersfield and Shire may have been his stage name and not his legal name. He may still be alive there. Also there's a guy who could be the "Chuck Carroll" in the photo posted above which I think is from Richard Smith's book on Fender guitars. Regardless, those photos are packed away and I never took digital shots of them to put in the computer. I haven't looked at them in almost ten years. They are in storage in Fresno California with a actual ton of other stuff. Instead of waiting around and having it shipped one carton at a time I may have to drive out there and load it all up as a one shot trip and get it back here.
MLA
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scott murray


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Post Posted 14 Mar 2017 6:01 pm     Reply with quote

that's wonderful news Steve! so glad you will be finishing what you and Buddy started... the world needs this book and Buddy deserves it. you made my year
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Luke Moldof


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Post Posted 14 Mar 2017 6:41 pm     Reply with quote

Michael,
Thanks a ton for your reply. I was aware that the record was no longer being pressed, I was just curious on the off chance that somebody was still stocking it just as one can still purchase shrink wrapped copies of wonderful long out of print records through various outlets such as the forums store. Wishful thinking on my part. Thanks for your response and suggestions. I'll be on the lookout. Apologies if I seem overeager.

Thanks,
Luke

Ps. Thanks for posting those great images and the Black Album review!
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Quentin Hickey


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Post Posted 14 Mar 2017 8:09 pm     Reply with quote

This is going to be great! Can't wait to see.
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Hook Moore


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 1:27 am     Reply with quote

Thank you Fish !
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Jim Cohen


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 4:18 am     Reply with quote

Michael Lee Allen wrote:
Your best bet would be to ask in the "Wanted" section of the classifieds and hope somebody here has it loaded up in their computer and burns you a disc. Who knows where the original master tape is and what condition it's in, let alone who has the legal ownership of it. It's never been reissued. There was an attempt to sell bootleg CD copies several years back on eBay, the guy who tried it was in violation of so many regulations that he was thrown off eBay.

Actually, the Emmons guitar company did reissue it on CD several years ago, so it's possible you could find a CD version of it somewhere.
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Michael Lee Allen


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 6:46 am     Reply with quote

JC...
News to me. I never heard of it or ever saw it advertised. The Emmons organization has been so low-profile it may as well not exist. Checked their website and it looks like it hasn't been updated in YEARS. The cassette and CD page does nothing. BE has his name there but the page is frozen. With that kind of marketing they probably didn't press or sell many. But...it does show that the masters exist and were still usable. I'd hope somebody involved had the good sense to make one or more "safety copies".
MLA
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Herb Steiner


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 7:12 am     Reply with quote

The "Black Album"... official name is "Emmons Guitar, Inc."... WAS reissued on CD, AND I can't find my copy! Mad Embarassed Mad Embarassed

Red Rhodes told me that he, Buddy, and Pete Kleinow all played the clubs in Cal City before he and Pete moved to California and Buddy moved to Detroit and ultimately Nashville.
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Richard Nelson


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 1:23 pm     Reply with quote

Fish , thank you for your encouragement and i look forward to the book being available . I'm currently transcribing the solo in Cherokee. I'll make it available when its ready .
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Jack Stanton


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 2:45 pm     Reply with quote

I got an autographed copy of the Black Album on CD from Ernie, had to be at least 10 years ago.
Damn if I know where it is...
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Rich Sullivan


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 3:35 pm     Reply with quote

The references to Leonard Feather brought up some old memories for me, and I thought I would share them. Apologies in advance, if this is off topic. During my senior year of college,in the spring of 1973, the university I was attending hired Feather as a guest lecturer to teach a class on jazz. At that time, what I knew about jazz was almost nothing, so it was both ear-opening and cool, but frustrating because so many references went over my head (the whole course felt like an extended session of name-dropping). Anyway, during every lecture, Feather had an old-style portable record player sitting on a chair next to the lectern, and he would pull out lp's and 78's from his collection and play drop the needle to give audio examples of what he was talking about. Invariably he dropped the needle in the wrong place and would drag it across the record looking for the excerpt he wanted, while the class was all cringing or snickering. The arm on the record player must have weighed a few pounds. If you've ever seen the clip of Andy Kaufman lip-synching to the Mighty Mouse Theme, you can picture the record player I am talking about. I guess it's an odd memory to have of a fairly important jazz critic. But the highlight of the course was when he brought Eubie Blake into class for an informal concert and discussion. He was 86 at the time, but still sharp as a tack and could he still play.
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Bill Cunningham


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Post Posted 15 Mar 2017 7:06 pm     Reply with quote

Jack Stanton wrote:
I got an autographed copy of the Black Album on CD from Ernie, had to be at least 10 years ago.
Damn if I know where it is...


I think I bought my CD copy at the Earnest Tubb Record Shop in Ft. Worth a few years ago. You might try them. I had the LP. Interestingly, I still have the cover but the vinyl is missing Shocked Shocked Oh Well
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Mike Neer


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Post Posted 16 Mar 2017 3:28 am     Reply with quote

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=314053
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Luke Moldof


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Post Posted 16 Mar 2017 11:52 am     Reply with quote

Mike Neer wrote:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=314053


Thanks for linking to this. I think I got my situation sorted out but definitely good to know if things change.
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Jim Cohen


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Post Posted 31 Mar 2017 9:42 am     Reply with quote

Jim Cohen wrote:
Actually, the Emmons guitar company did reissue it on CD several years ago, so it's possible you could find a CD version of it somewhere.


Well, I did at least locate the jewel case for it, if not the disc itself... Sad






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