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If you were to get a True tone PU what winding would you prefer
18,000
22%
 22%  [ 4 ]
17,000
61%
 61%  [ 11 ]
16,000 or less
16%
 16%  [ 3 ]
12,000 or less
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Ken Metcalf


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Post  Posted 1 Feb 2016 3:47 pm    
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If you were to get a True tone PU what winding would you prefer
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Stuart Tindall


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Post  Posted 1 Feb 2016 4:20 pm    
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Mine is 19000k but this is a 12 string model
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 1 Feb 2016 4:39 pm    
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18.5 tapped at 12
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Brett Lanier

 

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Post  Posted 1 Feb 2016 5:05 pm    
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Mine are 16.7k for both necks.
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Rick Abbott

 

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Post  Posted 1 Feb 2016 6:39 pm    
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Ken,

Part of the answer is "what are you trying to achieve?"

I Like 17.5K, because it, to me, sounds like later shobuds. I also like 10K or lower because it sounds so clean and expressive.

Check out Lee Jeffriess latest stuff with the West Coast Ramblers...his pickups are in the 2-3K range.
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Quentin Hickey

 

Post  Posted 1 Feb 2016 7:08 pm    
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Jerry Wallace winds slot of 19,000 ohm pups these days he tells me.
I have to say, my MSA single coils are wound to 17,500 and sound pretty good.
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Dave Mudgett


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Post  Posted 1 Feb 2016 11:54 pm    
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For me and several other players I know, 17.5K is sort of the magic wind number for "traditional" single-coil pickup designs like Emmons, Truetone, Zum, and some others I've heard. I've tried a bunch of pickups with DC resistances in a += 1-2K band around this number, and 17.5 seems to have a sort of crystalline, bell-like tone with just enough midrange beef to not get shrill pretty much straight into an amp designed for high clarity like an old blackface/silverface Fender or a pedal steel amp like a Session/Nashville 400, using a pot pedal with a 500K pot.

Of course, the guitar and amp matter too. If I was getting a pickup wound, I'd probably do 17.5K with a tap - somewhere in the 12K-15K range - for an old-school sound. Those old tapped Sho-Bud pickups were pretty magic in a certain context.
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Gary Cosden


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Post  Posted 2 Feb 2016 6:22 am    
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Jerry has mine now and is rewinding (de-winding?) it from 20.5 to 16.5K.
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John De Maille


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Post  Posted 2 Feb 2016 12:34 pm    
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My TT is wound to 19.5K for my U-12 ZumSteel. I originally spec'd a 17.5K, but, Jerry recommended the 19.5 because of the extra length of the pick up. The resonance from string 1-12 is perfect to my ears. It has great response from open string all the way up to Hughey land. Also, I've never experienced any hum at all with the TT's.
My other steel, a RusLer, has a triple tap humbucker, similar to ZB's triple tap, adjustable pole humbucker. The middle and first positions are the ones I use. The middle is my overall choice. The third position is way to dark and muddy for me. I don't know what the winds are, but, is was their stock pick up for the time.
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Ken Metcalf


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Post  Posted 2 Feb 2016 2:52 pm    
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I am getting a new MSA 12 string Universal with slide out pick ups.
1st will be a Telonics PU but I want a couple other PUs and am thinking an XR-16 and a True Tone.
I am conflicted because I also like the Alumitone which has a single coil-ish sound.
What say yea?
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Marty Broussard


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Post  Posted 2 Feb 2016 4:09 pm    
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Glad you asked this. I'm about to spec a pup for my Uni Excel
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Ken Metcalf


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Post  Posted 2 Feb 2016 4:42 pm    
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The stock Excel is pretty strong.
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Rick Abbott

 

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Post  Posted 2 Feb 2016 7:13 pm    
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQzyDa1bTc

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Jan Viljoen


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Post  Posted 4 Feb 2016 9:06 pm     Wtt
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My Sierra TT pickup is wound to 17,6 k for a nice country sound.

I can't hear the difference from my Danny Shields pickup though.



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Larry Behm


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Post  Posted 5 Feb 2016 7:42 am    
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I would think 17.5 to 18.5 would get the job done, bigger lower strings on a 12 and 20K might be to muddy for country, If you are doing jazz or blues 20 might be the ticket me thinks.
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Pete Burak

 

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Post  Posted 5 Feb 2016 10:36 am    
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I have a 17.5 in my Sierra that is my main pickup.
I have a 19.5 also that is going into my Zum.
Both S12U's.
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Ken Metcalf


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Converse Texas USA
Post  Posted 5 Feb 2016 10:54 am    
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My Emmons PU is 19.3 and sometimes seems a little muddy on the low strings.
Wondering if this could be an PU adjustment, Ohms, crappy heavy handed technique, amp adjustment.
So a 12 string PU Ohms rate a little higher? Like a 12 string TT at 19.5 K equals 17.5 k on a 10 string?
Do I have this correct?
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 5 Feb 2016 10:57 am    
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Roughly, yes. More wire needed for the same number of turns.
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Quentin Hickey

 

Post  Posted 5 Feb 2016 1:48 pm    
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I would like to try a 19.5 k pup in my MSA for playing C6.
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Bob Carlucci

 

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Candor, New York, USA
Post  Posted 6 Feb 2016 11:32 am    
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since the price is the same[Jerry doesn't charge for a tap], it makes NO sense to order a Truetone without the coil tap... I would go about 17 and 12, although I had a TT at 12 and 9 and it was the best sounding pickup I ever had...bob
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 6 Feb 2016 2:08 pm    
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On the rewinds, the tap was ten bucks. Still worth it.
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Bob Carlucci

 

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Post  Posted 7 Feb 2016 1:59 am    
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Lane Gray wrote:
On the rewinds, the tap was ten bucks. Still worth it.

Ok I guess that has changed since I last talked to Jerry several years back.. At that time there was no extra charge, at least not in the quotes I got and the one I finally ordered. I stand corrected.. Still well worth the extra 10 bucks!... bob
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Ken Metcalf


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Post  Posted 7 Feb 2016 4:02 pm    
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I am guessing a slide in MSA PU would be hard to tap ?
OR.... buy a bunch of TT PUs to slide in and out for a test.Smile
New question. If you could swap TT PUs like in a MSA U-12...
Which two would you get?
How low would you go?
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Lane Gray


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Post  Posted 7 Feb 2016 8:08 pm    
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Are there three poles in the shoe?
If not, you could mount the tap switch on the mounting plate.
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James Quackenbush

 

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Post  Posted 8 Feb 2016 10:05 am    
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I've tried a few different pickup resistance numbers ...If I go too far above 17.5K in single coil pickup , the tone is too muddy to my ears ....Then again , it depends a lot on not only the amp , but how loud you will be playing and how the EQ is on the amp ..... I like to play everything flat , but also play LOUD with plenty of power .... When I tried a Truetone at 19k it bordered on sounding flubby on the bottom end when driven hard ....Playing with less power , it sounded OK but a little bit bass happy for my book .... I like a well rounded, present, tone with plenty of harmonics ...That's another thing....Pinch harmonics are harder to get with a pickup that has too much bottom end ... You can always add bottom end to your sound , but trying to take it away to brighten up your tone sounds so much less convincing for a good steel tone to me ....Again YMMV ......Jim
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