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Topic: A New Pedal Change, Trick or Treat? |
Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 3 Feb 2024 3:04 am |
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| Steve Lipsey wrote: |
Hmmm....as an unsophisticated E9 player when it comes to jazz, and having only 3 fingerpicks on, I just do it the easy way...1 ½ steps up, play the minor chord, let the bass player get the root...
e.g., C#m7b5 is C# E G B....so I play an Em and the bass player gets the C#....
Do people really play all 4 notes somehow? I'd actually like to know how this works...always wondered... |
I play 4 notes all the time with a favorite being on strings 9865 ... a thumb rake of 98 and picks on 65 ... very easy to learn and very useful
I still think Randy's 9 & 6 lower is one of the coolest changes I've ever had. Like you and others have stated there are other ways to get this, but there's a certain "feel" that Randy's change gives you, that for me is more difficult to achieve without it.
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Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 3 Feb 2024 3:44 am
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Agreed, Dale.
I'm going to move the change (9,6) to LKL2 so that I can raise the 6th to A# on P4 - handily adjacent to my A pedal.
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Roger Rettig - Emmons D10s, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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Fred Treece
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California, USA
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Posted 3 Feb 2024 10:17 am
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I get a ii7b5/V7 “no bar” change on the same strings (9865) a slightly different way, raising E and splitting the A pedal with a Bb “0” pedal.
No doubt there are hidden gems in that 6 and 9 lower, but I keep finding them in my own copedent too. |
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Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 3 Feb 2024 12:45 pm
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That works, Fred: another one is 10,9,8,6 with E-F and B pedal.
Can't have too many!
I have just successfully transplanted my 9/6 lower from P4 to LKL2 - P4 now raises 4 and 6 a whole step.
My old LKL2 change (raising 7,2,1) is going on LKV.
I'm happy to say that all the rods are straight, nothing's rubbing and everything tunes up; so I haven't spoiled the excellent setup and o'haul that Junior Mercer did in December. (He'd be proud of me.  )
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Roger Rettig - Emmons D10s, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 3 Feb 2024 5:45 pm
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| Roger, your chord is Bm7b5. Mine is Dm7b5. But I was resolving to E7, which incorrect. I have to move the bar to the 3rd fret no pedals for G7 in order to get a proper iim7b5 - V7 change. The one you describe resolves just letting off pedals to open E7, ready to go to Am. My bad. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 3 Feb 2024 6:20 pm
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Fred
I was just citing another m7b5 shape without specifying its root.
Adapt as needed.
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Roger Rettig - Emmons D10s, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 3 Feb 2024 10:16 pm
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| I think I have 6 changer combinations for m7b5 now, including the open one. It’s one of the first chords I looked for, after I got the white bread stuff. Like I said though, I’m sure there is more mojo in the 6/9 half-step lower change than another m7b5. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 4 Feb 2024 5:26 am
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Quite so, Fred. The more positions one can get any chord in, then the better (or more economically) we can arrange a piece.
I like that A9th it gives me at zero fret. Randy B. deliberately doesn't lower the 3rd as well as the 6/9; he has logical reasons for this which, so far, I haven't learned to appreciate. I briefly lowered 3 as well but the load on that pedal (4) was getting too much so I took it off.
Now, when I want 9,6 and 3 lowered, I raise the 1st (now my LKV) a half step (along with P4) and the chord is complete across almost two octaves.
Here's my current - and, I think most efficient to date - setup.
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Roger Rettig - Emmons D10s, Quilter TT-12, B-bender Teles and old Martins.
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