| Author |
Topic: Live Steel Strings brings Cryo Strings to Market!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
|
Posted 8 Jan 2013 12:31 pm |
|
Live Steel Strings is happy to announce that we have struck a deal to produce the first Cryogenically Tempered strings for the Steel Guitar!
In order to keep cost down and to test the waters as to how the steel guitar community will receive the new Cryo strings we have decided to limit the availability of gauges.
We will be offering the Cryo Strings as follows:
E9 Standard Nickel 12-15-11-14-18-22-26-30-34-38
E9 Nashville Set (Nickel) 13-15-11-14-17-20-26-30-34-36
Keep in mind that all strings that are currently available will remain available. We are not discontinuing anything.
Frozen Strings have become one of the hottest things in guitar and bass string design. It’s no pun! We are talking about cryogenically tempered strings. Some of the first sets of cryogenically tempered strings hit the market about two decades ago.
But they really did not get into the mainstream of visibility until about a decade ago. Since that time, many players have found the merits of using these uniquely made strings. At the same time, many players are still unfamiliar with cryogenically tempered strings.
So what are cryogenically tempered strings (also called cryogenic or cryo strings)?
They are strings that have been taken from room temperature, to extremely cold temperatures (about -320 degrees Fahrenheit) for about fifteen hours.
Once the strings have fully temperature soaked, they are slowly brought back to room temperature over a period of fifteen hours. The whole thermal cycle process takes about thirty seven hours to complete.
The cryogenic process addresses five things from a metallurgical perspective:
1. It closes and refines grain structures within the alloy.
2. There is a reduction in retained stresses, wear and surface roughness.
3. It reduces retained austenite in the metal.
4. Increases dimensional stability
5. Increases overall durability
This means the string will achieve a greater stability in tuning as it is brought to full tension. In addition, the tone will not decay as quickly as the strings begin to age.
I am really excited about this new product for Steel Guitar and sincerely believe that Cryogenically tempered strings for the Steel Guitar will be a vast improvement over anything we have all experienced in the past.
There are many other things to explore in the future such as a Cryogenically Tempered string in addition to a Polymer coating to seal them from humidity but; we can think about that sometime down the road.
Thanks for all your support,
http://livesteelstrings.com/
Sid Hudson
Last edited by Sid Hudson on 28 Jan 2013 6:05 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
|
|
Hook Moore
From:
South Charleston,West Virginia
|
|
|
|
Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
|
Posted 9 Jan 2013 10:29 am
|
|
Cryogenically produced tubes (or valves as we call them in the UK) are very sought after for their performance. However, the process does bump up the cost quite significantly. Hopefully Sid will be able to maintain the retail price of these strings at an affordable level. 
_________________
Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
|
|
|
Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
|
Posted 9 Jan 2013 11:48 am
|
|
| Actually, Hook, they're very cold! |
|
|
|
Chuck Blake
From:
West Virginia, USA
|
Posted 9 Jan 2013 1:17 pm
|
|
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
As I indicated in my PM to Sid, I have used cryo banjo strings for some time now. THEY ARE GREAT!
Excuse the shouting. The advantages I found using them on my banjo:
1. Remained very crisp and bright
2. Time between string changes greatly increased (I changed strings when I got bored)
3. Little or no breakage
4. Stayed in tune and was not weather dependent
Now having mentioned a few positives, these were on a Stelling Banjo played hours upon hours. A very positive experience.
I hope I get the frist order And I hope they are Steel Guitar friendly.
Chuck
_________________
2010 Rains 3x5 SD10, 2006 Rains 3x5 SD10 Powered by Quilter Tone Block 202 and 15' and 12' Custom Speaker cabs |
|
|
|
Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
|
Posted 10 Jan 2013 4:51 pm
|
|
It's odd you mention the banjo Chuck.
One thing that started making me think of Cryo strings for steel guitar is all the Bluegrass musicians raving about how long their guitar and banjo strings last as they retain that "fresh out of the pack" sound for an extended time.
Last edited by Sid Hudson on 21 Jan 2013 4:34 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
|
|
Hook Moore
From:
South Charleston,West Virginia
|
|
|
|
Darrell Birtcher
|
Posted 13 Jan 2013 1:11 pm cryo treating
|
|
This is interesting Sid. Looking forward to trying them.
I know when I first heard about cryo treating strings, I thought it was a bunch of snake oil from the marketing folks. Later in life I began studying the heat treatment of metals and discovered how strongly metals are affected by both extreme heat and extreme cold. It's truly amazing how much the properties of a metal can be altered by temperature, and they've got it down to a science. Cryo treating is very common in aerospace and other industries to obtain the desired properties in various metals. It is very process dependent and it sounds like your strings are receiving the correct process. Your dedication is to be applauded. |
|
|
|
Ray Thomas
From:
Goldsboro North Carolina
|
Posted 15 Jan 2013 6:44 am Cryo Strings
|
|
Thanks Sid, looking fwd to getting a set on my guitar.
_________________
Ray Thomas
Livesteel Strings Dealer
Call 919-920-5482
Text rayssteel@gmail.com or email |
|
|
|
Richard Lester
From:
Constable, New York, USA
|
Posted 15 Jan 2013 2:25 pm strings
|
|
Sounds like I'm sure gonna try em, it's the cool thing to do
_________________
Zum D-10, GFI S10 keyless ultra, 2020 Flight Ready SD-10 Rittenberry, Quilter Steelaire, Telonics vol. pedal |
|
|
|
Chris Templeton
From:
The Green Mountain State
|
|
|
|
Daniel Haymore
From:
Nashville, TN
|
Posted 17 Jan 2013 2:01 pm
|
|
I have used cryo strings on my banjo for a couple of years now, and they are great.
I look forward to trying some on my steel. |
|
|
|
Chuck Blake
From:
West Virginia, USA
|
Posted 18 Jan 2013 7:41 am
|
|
Yes Sid the company selling them for the banjo community is "The American Made Banjo Company".
They truly added extended life to a string change on my banjo. They we're just a tad brighter but the good news is they stay that way.
Gonna buy a few sets for my GFI and compare them to the original LSS by Sid. Looking to comapare two areas 1: String Life
2: Breakage (worried about lever/pedal effects)
Bring Em' on Sid
_________________
2010 Rains 3x5 SD10, 2006 Rains 3x5 SD10 Powered by Quilter Tone Block 202 and 15' and 12' Custom Speaker cabs |
|
|
|
Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
|
Posted 26 Jan 2013 7:16 pm
|
|
Since I have building strings I have experimented with many ways of building a better string. Some things worked great and some things were a total flop. (Which were never brought to market of course)
Nearly all music wire (core wire and plain strings) has a very very thin coating of tin on the outer surface.
Every major brand I am aware of does this.
The tin coating was originally tried many decades ago with the intention of protecting the High Carbon Steel music wire from humidity therefore preventing microscopic corrosion.
Microscopic corrosion has a severe negative effect on the uniform vibration of a string resulting in a fast decay of sustain.
Thinking that the tin coating may very well be detrimental to tonal qualities, I built some strings that had no tin coating on core wire of the wound strings and no tin coating on any plain strings.
Result: The strings sounded like total Junk! I threw them all away.
____________________________________________________________________________________
Ok here's the deal on the Cryo Strings.
We got some packaged up Friday and I talked the wife out of a set.
Put them on Friday afternoon played them a couple of hours.
Played them about 6 hours on Saturday and I will say with enthusiasm “I am beside myself".
Ultimately the customers will make the decision for themselves but this is my assessment of the New Cryo Strings:
After only 8 hours of playing time, my findings are:
1. The increased sustain is shocking. Reminds me of the first time I sat down to Tom Brumley’s ZB guitar.
Had a steel buddy over the house today and demonstrated the increased sustain by playing a couple of very slow ballads without my foot on the volume pedal. We both laughed out loud.
2. The tone of the plain strings is wonderful. I believe there is a noticeable tone improvement with the Cryo plain stings.
3. Our original strings stay in tune great so I see no noticeable improvement in this area.
4. Longevity----have not had them on the guitar long enough to judge.
As for me I would never want to use anything else but, you be the judge.
Sid Hudson |
|
|
|
Joshua Gibson
From:
Arizona, USA
|
Posted 28 Jan 2013 1:43 pm
|
|
Do You have any figure on the prices for these "cryo" strings yet Sid? I haven't been able to bring Myself to use another brand since I grabbed a couple of sets of live's for My new PP at the Saint Louis convention last Year:-) , You've definitely got a return customer here!.
Josh Gibson,
PS: Will Y'all be at the Dallas show?
_________________
'83 Mullen custom D-10 8x5.
Mesa Lonestar classic 112 custom cab.
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 1000,
Telonics, Zoom, BJS,
Goldtone BS, LITM, OS Dobros.
Fender, G&L, Gibson, Ibanez guitars. |
|
|
|
Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
|
Posted 28 Jan 2013 2:03 pm
|
|
Josh, the cost of the E9 Cryo strings is going to be $16.50
These strings just might be the answer to the guy that hates to change strings.
At this point in time no single string purchases will be available due to limited supply.
Yes we will be at the Dallas show. |
|
|
|
Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
|
Posted 28 Jan 2013 2:07 pm
|
|
Sid
Do you have a price on the C6 strings too?
_________________
Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
|
|
|
Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
|
Posted 28 Jan 2013 2:37 pm
|
|
We will be offering the Cryo Strings as follows:
E9 Standard Nickel 12-15-11-14-18-22-26-30-34-38
E9 Nashville Set (Nickel) 13-15-11-14-17-20-26-30-34-36
No C6 at this time.
Depending on the popularity of the strings I will eventually do all the gauges. |
|
|
|
Joshua Gibson
From:
Arizona, USA
|
Posted 28 Jan 2013 5:14 pm
|
|
thanks Sid , Looking Forward to seeing(and hopefully hearing?) Y'all in Dallas.
_________________
'83 Mullen custom D-10 8x5.
Mesa Lonestar classic 112 custom cab.
Session 400 Ltd, Nashville 1000,
Telonics, Zoom, BJS,
Goldtone BS, LITM, OS Dobros.
Fender, G&L, Gibson, Ibanez guitars. |
|
|
|
Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
|
|
|
|
Teddy Lloyd
From:
Virginia, USA
|
Posted 1 Feb 2013 11:08 am
|
|
| Igot my Cryo strings today and cant belive how good they are The sustain is unreal.They are well worth the price and then some |
|
|
|
Gil Gregory
From:
Virginia, USA
|
Posted 1 Feb 2013 2:34 pm Cryo strings
|
|
Sid, the cryo strings are even better that the regular lss. they have sustain out of this world and i beleive the tone is also better.thank you.
gil |
|
|
|
Chuck Blake
From:
West Virginia, USA
|
Posted 2 Feb 2013 5:50 am
|
|
Order mine yesterday . A couple of sets for my GFI guitars.
Even ordered a couple of microfiber cleaning towels.
_________________
2010 Rains 3x5 SD10, 2006 Rains 3x5 SD10 Powered by Quilter Tone Block 202 and 15' and 12' Custom Speaker cabs |
|
|
|
Gary Hamblin
From:
Callao, VA
|
Posted 3 Feb 2013 2:25 pm Live Steel Strings
|
|
I have heard nothing but good things from my friend Teddy Lloyd about the cryo strings.I will be ordering some this week.
_________________
JCH/SD10 ,ZUM,D10 ,Rosewood Emmons Push Pull,T8 Fender Stringmaster.Nashville and Session 400,Walker Stereo Steel,Boss Katana 100 and John Hughey's Vegas 400.Hilton Pro Delay,Telonics Volume Pedal, Steelers Choice Seat,Live Steel Strings. |
|
|
|
Gary Carter
From:
Dickson, Tennessee, USA
|
Posted 5 Feb 2013 5:40 pm strings
|
|
I put a set of cryogenically tempered strings on my guitar last friday and I have about 15 hours playing time on this set. The strings still sound like new.
I also noticed a bump in the mid range on the wound strings. This really adds a little more warmth to my guitar. I'm looking too see how the tuning is going to be after about 30 hours of playing time. |
|
|
|
