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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 27 Sep 2012 12:14 am    
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Georgeboards has added B6 Substitute Cover Plates to our growing Parts Catalog.

You can now protect your originals, fix broken ones, bring a basket case back to life.
All of the shown parts are Production Samples - sold as is.

We have White Acrylic (same Material as the Original) 3/16 thick laser cut FLAT panels. Set $50.00 + 10.00 Shipping USA
We also have KOA Wood Panels .200 thick - Book Matched Honey Color Koa wood, Laser cut. Set $90.00 + 10.00 Shipping USA









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Ralph Czitrom

 

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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2012 9:56 am    
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George - Your new offering of replacement plates for Rickenbacker pandas is a great idea and I hope it proves to be successful. I own a wonderful 1949 Bronson Melody King which, as you probably know, is really a brown BD6. I love the idea of being able to swap out the guitar's brown (plastic? metal?) plates for Koa wood panels. It would look terrific. Two questions: 1) are the BD6 panels the same as the B6? 2) do the plates, as delivered, need to be finished i.e. with some type of sealer? If the plates are the same, I'd like to order a full set. Thanks.




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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2012 10:16 am     Here is my story , ---- >
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From what I am seeing -- GeorgeBoard Substitute Koa Panels -- look to fit your instrument's chambers.

To make certain they fit, we will gladly refund the cost of the plates less the 10 dollars shipping fee to get them to you -- upon their return un-altered.

The Plastic ones and the KOA ones are made from the same programed file with the laser cutter cnc,
only difference is we laid out the Koa to fit my wood.

You will need to sand - shape - finish these to your taste. It can be done easily with - sandpaper and aerosol lacquer from any home center. Very Happy


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Ralph Czitrom

 

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Post  Posted 2 Oct 2012 10:25 am    
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Great news George! I've placed my order and will post photos once the job is done. Thanks.
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David Pinkston

 

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Post  Posted 6 Feb 2013 1:36 pm     B6
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George how do I order 2 sets?
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George Piburn


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The Land of Enchantment New Mexico
Post  Posted 13 Apr 2013 8:36 am     Add New Life to Your Panda Ricky
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Here are some photos of a recent Rickenbacher Bakeolite Panda I up graded from lost panels to SubStitute Panels.

This is the 7 String with the panels missing and a set of the KOA Panels in the Lid of the Case.



This is the CNC Laser Cutting the 3/16 thickness White Acrylic.



This is the Instrument with the Acrylic Panels set in their positions just after comming off of the Laser Mill -- The Protective Paper is on the Acrylic.



It took me about an hour of hand held sanding to round over the panels with 4 grades of sand paper.

80 grit to hog over the edge and cutting marks on the side edges.
180 grit to clean that up and start smoothing it.
220 to smooth everything more
320 to smooth everything more
400 to smooth everything more and good enough to install.

I left the protective paper on during the above described process it made for easy visual as the sanding went along.

If you want to totally polish up the side edges you can go to 1000 grit and or light auto polish compound.

On this particular piece the screw holes were all buggered and stripped.
I tapped each one out to 4-40 and got new 4-40 stainless screws which went in and all tight.

Please note the original collectible value was destroyed on this Panda long ago. The Substitue route is appropriate and works great.

This is the panels with the New 4-40 screws - the original metal panels are in the lid.
You can see they were modified by a previous owner, and are all scratched up.




I went ahead and tapped the screw holes for the Pick-Up housing too.
The Bridge was set 1/4" too close to the nut and I repositioned it too and drilled and tapped for it.

NOTE; I have Zero Knowledge of these and their vintage parts, this bridge is a cast aluminum angle it may be original. Thank goodness for modern CNC Technology and my Fixtures.

What ever - It is positioned much closer to 22.5 than it was and the additional holes are in a place where the original pickup housing holes are hidden for a good visual.
It Plays very tight now and chimes out the harmonics directly over the 12th fret as it should.

Additionally I put 2 of the White Pearl Dots in the missing positions, it is very easy, with minimal effort.

This is the completed Face Lift with Chrome Knobs at the owners request.

A Pretty Cool way to "Breath New Life" into an otherwise compromised instrument.




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This is a photo of a KOA Panel set with only clear grain filler (Epoxy)



This photo is after 2 coats of clear lacquer and no polishing.

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Jerome Hawkes


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Post  Posted 13 Apr 2013 9:11 am    
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Great job George - these are sweet. Now to find a spare b6 donor.
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 22 Sep 2013 10:35 am     New -- Pre Rounded Over Substitute Panels
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Hello from GeorgeBoards

We have gotten many requests for these Subtitute Panels with the Edges Pre-Rounded Over and Shined Up Like the Photos above.

Here They Are - I make these to order $100.00 usd + Shipping 10.00 USA - International EMail for rate.


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joe long

 

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Post  Posted 4 Oct 2013 8:50 am    
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I would like a set of the "finished" ones. Send me your address.
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 5 Oct 2013 4:30 am     Reply
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Hello from George to Joe Long.

I have sent it to your email and gotten it kicked back as unknowen user,

Send it to your email through the forum. No response

and Sent it to you through the Forum PM Service. No Response.

We are here and have the set pictured above held for you.


Hope this gets to you .

Best Regards Very Happy
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joe long

 

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Post  Posted 15 Oct 2013 4:17 pm    
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George, do you have some longer screws?
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 15 Oct 2013 6:07 pm     Need Thread Size
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Hello from GeorgeBoards

I will need some information from The Rickenbacher Knowledge Bank. Once I know , I would get stock some how.

What are the Original Thread Size?
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joe long

 

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Post  Posted 16 Oct 2013 5:41 am    
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George, the screws and cover plates look original.
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George Piburn


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The Land of Enchantment New Mexico
Post  Posted 16 Oct 2013 6:33 am     Help Needed from Rickenbacher Community
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Hello From George

Sorry to make my request to the Rickenbacher Community not too clear.

I need to have some one who knows the Thread Count and Thread Size , as well as the lenghth of the screws.

In Machine Language , that would be something like 3-56 X 3/4" - this is my Guess, but I do not know for sure what they used back then. Plus I do not own a Bake-O-Lite type Lap Steel To Test Various Screws for Fit and Length.

I've tried 3-48 and they were too coarse, so it is a more fine thread than that.

I am hoping the Rickenbacher Knowledge Bank on the Forum will see this post and help support this effort of mine to provide substitute parts for these repairs.

If that doesn't work out I will have to locate a precision machine supply house some where and go in to have an expert machinist measure them.

I have one around here from when I re built Jeff Strauss's 7 String earlier this year, In his situation there were stripped holes in the body and missing screws so we opted to Tap them to a 4-40 which are available at any Ace Hardware store.

Hopefully this makes since and some one will help the Rickenbacher owners who need these screws so that GeorgeBoards can make them readily available to them. Very Happy
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2013 5:24 am     Aloha Spirit sends Answers
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I reached out to Expertise from a best resource.



From: Rick Aiello
To: George Piburn
Posted: 17 Oct 13 5:52am
Subject: Re: Help request Please


Howdy

They are # 3-48 ... The length can vary, the Bakelite posts are deep and threads go way down.

Lots are broken at the top of the posts ... By folks trying to use bigger screws ... But a longer 3-48 will reach down and allow the plates to be secured even when the tops are broken.

At pennies apiece ... It's best to have several lengths on hand.

Aloha
Rick


It is apparent my earlier statement was wrong, I found the 3-48 at my local Ace Hardware store in their Grey Pull Out Bins for Specialty Screws.

Joe --- Please Chime Back in to let us know how this Valuable Tip works out. Smile
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joe long

 

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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2013 6:59 am    
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Thanks, going to an ACE store right now.
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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2013 6:59 am    
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Thanks, going to an ACE store right now.
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Post  Posted 18 Oct 2013 8:46 am    
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3-48 is to large for my guitar.
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 18 Oct 2013 9:18 am     Interesting !
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Hello from George -io

That is what happened to me on Jeff's Guitar too, I took one of his original Screws to Ace and Tried it in a 3-48 nut and it didn't fit. At that point we made the decision to go with taping out the receiving holes.

My next guess is 3-56 which were not at ace , and I need to go deeper into research.

No one before Joe Long has asked about new screws , so I've not gotten into figuring it out - until now.
Rick's information about the depth of the threaded part is very encouraging to keep looking and simply going longer in length.

I am going to my machinist next week and will see if they have a thread measure in the fine threads, if not I will need to dig deeper to find a precision shop that can make drill bits and so on -- they tend to have the thread count tools.

The other option is to find some 3-56 screws somewhere and try them.

Sorry to take so long - but frankly , the Bakelite community seems to offer so little support to them selves - what input information and parts loans I've gotten so far is completely appreciated.
GeorgeBoards makes these substitute parts as a courtesy to bakelite owners, clearly not for any profit. Hopefully everyone understands I am doing what we can to help.

Just for the information and experience part of this discussion, Taping out to 4/40 is not bad if you are an experienced tap-er - In my case , I waxed the tap thread , then very genitally went in until it began to get tight , and then backed out. The Bakelite is very sticky and filled the tap threads immediately. Next I tooth-brushed the tap threads off and waxed again. I repeated this process several times until I got the new threads deep enough and no goof ups.
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 20 Oct 2013 7:15 am     Found some 3-56 X 1"
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Hello from George Boards

We have found some 3-56 X 1" Round Head Slotted and have some samples in route.

I try them with a screw we kept from Jeff's guitar, and hopefully they will fit.

If successful GeorgeBoards will order 100 or what ever quantity the distributor requires.

Stay Tuned in interested folks The Game Is Afoot.

Very Happy
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joe long

 

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Post  Posted 20 Oct 2013 8:41 am    
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Thanks very much.
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joe long

 

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Post  Posted 20 Oct 2013 4:37 pm    
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George, would it help if I sent you the orginial panel's off my steel to give you an idea of the length of screw I need?
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joe long

 

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Post  Posted 29 Oct 2013 10:09 am    
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George, any luck onthe screws? If the screw holes had been counter sunk the original screws probably would have worked.
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 31 Oct 2013 6:27 am     Sample in route to Joe
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I got some samples of 3-56 Stainless Steel Screws and sent one to you in an envelope 1st class mail.

I am excited to see if the thread are correct . You should get in today's mail.
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George Piburn


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Post  Posted 4 Nov 2013 2:19 pm     Latest Information about Screws
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Hello from George Mr.Boards

I went to a specialty Screw Shop today, and got the Original Screw to size out to a 3-48 exactly as Rick Aiello said. Very Happy

I did find out that some of the originals were cut to length from a longer length and that messed up the threads a little at the end , making them not fit the sizing tool , and most likely why they would not fit the Nut I tried at ACE Hardware.

Here is what I recommend now : -> Get a 3-48 tap -- use it to clean out the threads on the Bakelite body.

The 3-48's from Ace should go right in after that treatment.

3-48 Screws on line


http://www.sears.com/drillspot-3-48-x-3-4inch-round-head-slotted/p-SPM9752991013P

http://www.tacomascrew.com/Products/Machine-Screws/081-309-2_10

http://www.amazon.com/DrillSpot-Round-Slotted-Machine-Stainless/dp/B00FECQ0T4

TAPS ON LINE

http://www.mscdirect.com/product/04423489?src=pla&008=-99&007=Search&pcrid=25122951664&006=25122951664&005=53306265424&004=7506870664&002=2167139&mkwid=sv67glAlR|dc&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test_sv67glAlR_PLA__25122951664_c_S&026=-99&025=c



http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2835


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/383448/hanson-carbon-steel-bottom-tap-3-48-thread
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