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Topic: Augmented and diminished chords |
Mickey Adams
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Bandera Texas
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Posted 1 Jan 2012 4:28 pm |
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I am often asked about how to use these extremely versatile chord forms...I will be posting a new Youtube video tomorrow night on the subject...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UggHZT-FHIY
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CrowBear Schmitt
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Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 2 Jan 2012 7:14 am
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do you mean abolished & demented chord forms Mickey ?
folks always gotta give fancy names
like Worcestershire sauce
it's plain ol' "what's this here" sauce ain't it ? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 2 Jan 2012 10:48 am
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I'd appreciate it if you would also cover argumentative and demolished chords. 
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 2 Jan 2012 10:55 am
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Is the chord of "I Can Help" (by Billy Swan),just before the vocals come in, an augmented or a diminished one?
Thanks.
Looking forward to the video!
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Clete Ritta
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San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 2 Jan 2012 2:24 pm
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Looking forward to it Mickey.
| Joachim Kettner wrote: |
| Is the chord of "I Can Help" (by Billy Swan),just before the vocals come in, an augmented or a diminished one?... |
Thats G augmented.
Clete |
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Joachim Kettner
From:
Germany
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Posted 2 Jan 2012 8:41 pm
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Thank you Clete,
Maybe you knew already, but this is the intro:
11---------------9---7------------5---3-3-3-3-3-3..E
---12---------10-------8--------6-----4-4-4-4-4-4..B
------12---10------------8----6-------4-4-4-4-4-4..G
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Tim Sergent
From:
Hendersonville, TN, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2012 8:46 pm
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| Those are adult chords. Stay away from those. They'll make you go blind. |
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robert kramer
From:
Nashville TN
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Posted 3 Jan 2012 5:06 pm
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I've worked in C&W club bands where it was agreed beforehand not to play Aug or Dim chords – only Major & Minors.
Recently – Mr. Tommy White posted a YouTube clip of Ivan Greathouse playing Faded Love. I think it's is worth another listen – Ivan is a master of playing over Augmented & Diminished chords and making them sound melodic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AQojX395lM |
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Mike Kowalik
From:
San Antonio,Texas
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Posted 3 Jan 2012 6:12 pm
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| Don't know about augmented or diminished chords in that Faded Love but that is one damn good sounding fiddle that ole boy is playing....... |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 3 Jan 2012 6:38 pm
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Ya bunch a comedians...LMAO..Yes the Billy Swann intro is aug 5 chord..5 (+)
OMG TIM SERGENT KNOWS MY NAME!!!!!!....... 
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Jan 2012 7:34 pm
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| OMG TIM SERGENT KNOWS MY NAME!!!!!!....... |
Mickey... You know, it's probably a good idea to go into hiding now
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Clete Ritta
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San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 3 Jan 2012 8:08 pm
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Thanks for the link robert. Thats a great example of both augmented and diminished chord use. Ivans solo starts at 1:55. At 2:13, the chord progression he outlines is D (tonic), D+ (augmented), G (IV), G#dim . Even though the band is playing a G and Ivan is playing a G# diminished arpeggio, it sounds good since only the G# (#4) and F natural (b7) are different in the two chords and it adds dissonance and tension to the IV. Both chords (G and G# dim) create the same (or more) tension as the dominant V resolving to the tonic D.
Clete |
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 4 Jan 2012 6:39 am
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Last edited by Ransom Beers on 10 Jan 2012 9:15 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2012 8:47 am
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| The augmented and diminished chords can really add "color" to your playing. |
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 4 Jan 2012 9:43 am
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| Good,I got a box of crayons that has hardly been used. |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2012 10:05 am
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| Remember, red for augmented, blue for diminished. |
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Jason Rumley
From:
Foley, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2012 11:35 am
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| Can't wait for the video! Your videos are a huge help! |
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Ransom Beers
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Posted 4 Jan 2012 11:54 am
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| Erv Niehaus wrote: |
| Remember, red for augmented, blue for diminished. |
OK but what do I do with tha yeller one?
Never mind,I know what you're thinking |
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 7 Jan 2012 6:31 pm
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I crossed a diminished chord with an augmented. This is really a wild sound. I call it a Dimented chord. I also patented this chord so if you guys use it, you OWE me a royalty.  |
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Paul Graupp
From:
Macon Ga USA
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Posted 8 Jan 2012 4:51 am
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I remember being fascinated by the fact that both Aug and diminished chords invert every four or three fretts respectively.
Regards, Paul |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 8 Jan 2012 7:01 am
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| Diminished and 7th chords are related because you get both of them with the F lever. |
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 8 Jan 2012 5:07 pm
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Thats a very good point Erv. The term 7th used by itself implies a dominant 7th (4 note chord) specifically. The dominant 7th chord is built using a major triad (1, 3, 5) and a minor, or dominant 7th tone. If you look at just the 3, 5, 7 of the dominant 7th chord, it is a diminished triad, so the two are closely related. The term diminished is used for both triads and 7th chord forms.
Beyond the triad: half and whole diminished
By expanding a diminished triad (3 notes) to a seventh chord (4 notes), there are two types of diminished 7ths: half and whole. The half diminished 7th has a diminished triad consisting of the root, minor 3rd, b5 (tritone), and a minor 7th. The interval between the 5th and 7th is a major third. This is the natural diatonic 7th chord of a major chord scale. The whole diminished 7th is entirely built on minor 3rds, which means the 7th tone is a double flat (bb), enharmonic to the major 6th of the scale. The whole diminished 7th chord inverts every 3 half tones, just as the diminished triad does.
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 10:42 am
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Im going to work the video today...One thing to bear in mind is the formula for these chords...you can make it complicated very easily, to the non-theory guys...so heres the BASIC version...
Scales are constructed with specific formulas..ie: Whole whole half....etc etc...
Diminished, and Aug chords have equal intervals...very simple...A DIM is ALL m3rds, and the aug chord is ALL M3rds...therefore...THERE ARE ONLY 3 Dim Chords...and there are only 4 AUG chords...They repeat themselves at the intervals of 3, and 4...And as Clete points out...there is a Half Diminished voicing as well..
Since an AUG chord is all M3rds...(WHOLE WHOLE)...You can understand where the WHOLE TONE Scale comes from....MORE IN THE VIDEO...!!
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John Peay
From:
Cumming, Georgia USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2012 7:05 pm Augs & Dims...
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| Mickey Adams wrote: |
| therefore...THERE ARE ONLY 3 Dim Chords...and there are only 4 AUG chords...They repeat themselves at the intervals of 3, and 4... |
I think that is reversed?...that is, there are only 4 Dim chords (dim 7ths, 1-3b-5b-7bb, repeating every 3 frets) and only 3 augmented chords (1-3-5#,repeating every 4 frets).
Cant wait to see the vid on this, Mickey, I've been working on these chords lately... |
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