| Visit Our Catalog at SteelGuitarShopper.com |

Post new topic How many changer designs are there?
Reply to topic
Author Topic:  How many changer designs are there?
Jim Underwood


From:
Virginia, USA
Post  Posted 1 Nov 2009 6:25 pm    
Reply with quote

So far in my minimum amount of research, I have found 2 designs on all-pull changers and 1 design on push-pull. I can visual the mechanics of all these designs and how they operate.

One of the all-pull changer has a more complicated finger configuration. This is one that someone on here posted a link to.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo332/Bent61/Steel%20Project%202/fingersMar25sized.jpg

I have seen this basic design with a few modifications. Nothing major, and they all seem to work the same.

Are there any new all-pull changers out? Is this the current design that most steel builders are using? Has anyone tried to improve on this?

Sorry to ask. I am an engineer and have an interest in mechanisms. I always wondered how the all-pull worked,
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Bent Romnes


From:
London,Ontario, Canada
Post  Posted 1 Nov 2009 7:16 pm    
Reply with quote

Jim, I posted that picture. I would say that is the very basic all-pull scissors type changer.The only thing that is not common to all other changers is the sealed ball bearing on the lowering bar.
_________________
BenRom Pedal Steel Guitars
https://www.facebook.com/groups/212050572323614/
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website

Michael Johnstone


From:
Sylmar,Ca. USA
Post  Posted 1 Nov 2009 8:07 pm    
Reply with quote

I'd say the Anapeg,Lamar and Excel changers are quite a bit different than anything else and different from each other as well. One thing they do have in common is the strings are pulled laterally instead of with the rocking cam motion found on all the other changers. That's why they don't ever break strings. There are other substantial differences as well - especially on the Excel.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Ryan Barwin


From:
Ontario, Canada
Post  Posted 1 Nov 2009 9:04 pm    
Reply with quote

Michael Johnstone wrote:
I'd say the Anapeg,Lamar and Excel changers are quite a bit different than anything else and different from each other as well. One thing they do have in common is the strings are pulled laterally instead of with the rocking cam motion found on all the other changers. That's why they don't ever break strings. There are other substantial differences as well - especially on the Excel.


Do the Excels with keys work like that too? Or just the Excel Superbs?
_________________
http://www.ryanbarwin.com
Emmons Push/Pull Bolt-On S10 6+4, Emmons Legrande SKH D10 8+9, Excel D10 8+6
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website

Jim Underwood


From:
Virginia, USA
Post  Posted 1 Nov 2009 10:37 pm    
Reply with quote

Does anyone know where I could get photos, schematics, or samples of various finger mechanisms?
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Stuart Tindall


From:
England, UK
Post  Posted 2 Nov 2009 12:26 am    
Reply with quote

Jim

The US Patents office is a good place to begin, for example,

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6002075&id=EWMWAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=pedal+steel+guitar&ie=ISO-8859-1#PPA1-IA1,M1

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4147086&id=Pp84AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=pedal+steel+guitar&ie=ISO-8859-1#PPP1,M1

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5044247&id=UCYjAAAAEBAJ&pg=PP2&dq=pedal+steel+guitar&ie=ISO-8859-1#PPP1,M1

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4157050&id=QHo0AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=pedal+steel+guitar&ie=ISO-8859-1

There are lots on there, just do a search for pedal steel guitar or pich changer etc

Stuart
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Michael Johnstone


From:
Sylmar,Ca. USA
Post  Posted 2 Nov 2009 7:15 am    
Reply with quote

Quote:
Do the Excels with keys work like that too? Or just the Excel Superbs?

I think the changer is the same these days on either one. But there's no point in getting a keyed model because then you'd miss out on all the advantages of a keyless. Plus Excel has a fantastic cabinet drop compensating system that will only work with the keyless head.
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Bill Fisher

 

From:
Oklahoma, USA
Post  Posted 2 Nov 2009 12:58 pm    
Reply with quote

ANAPEG has NO cabinet drop. NO compensators, either.

Bill
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Donny Hinson

 

From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
Post  Posted 2 Nov 2009 1:43 pm    
Reply with quote

The old (cable) Fender steels were the same way, no cabinet drop. Cool

Of course, for most all modern steels it's a not a big issue anyway. Smile
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Anders Eriksson


From:
Mora, Dalecarlia, Sweden
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2009 2:11 am    
Reply with quote

Do anyone know what changer Fessenden has?

I know that it is an All-Pull, but it would be interesting to know exactly how it's made (withouth disassembling the guitar)

// Anders
_________________
Fessenden D-10, Stage One S-10, Peavey Nashville 112, Boss LMB-3, Goodrich 120; Regal RD-38VS Resonator
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Ryan Barwin


From:
Ontario, Canada
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2009 2:19 am    
Reply with quote

Michael Johnstone wrote:

I think the changer is the same these days on either one. But there's no point in getting a keyed model because then you'd miss out on all the advantages of a keyless. Plus Excel has a fantastic cabinet drop compensating system that will only work with the keyless head.

Okay, thanks...I was just asking cause I got one of the ones with keys a few months ago. Even without the compensating system, there's hardly any cabinet drop at all.
_________________
http://www.ryanbarwin.com
Emmons Push/Pull Bolt-On S10 6+4, Emmons Legrande SKH D10 8+9, Excel D10 8+6
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website

Tony Kotula

 

From:
Detroit, Michigan, USA
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2009 9:56 am     How many changer designs are there?
Reply with quote

This is an interesting topic. I play an older Excel Dl0
model 2000. Can you please explain what you mean by cabinet drop? I have an idea about what it means. But I would like to know exactly what it's all about.
Also, I have a new GFI Uni12 keyless coming soon!
What are your thoughts on this keyless model? Thanks!
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Brint Hannay

 

From:
Maryland, USA
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2009 11:26 am    
Reply with quote

"Cabinet drop" refers to the phenomenon that, when pedals are pressed, strings not connected to the pedals being pressed go slightly flat. It's called "cabinet drop" because one idea of the cause of this is that the guitar's cabinet is flexed by the downward pull of the pedals, but there are other theories, and I believe it's difficult to pin down the exact cause(s).
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail

Steve Epstein


From:
Orinda, CA
Post  Posted 3 Nov 2009 11:56 am     Cabinet Drop
Reply with quote

I have an Excel Superb and I agree with what's been said here. These are really great guitars. Mechanically superior to anything I have ever played. I have an Anapeg coming around the first of the year and I think they are about the same size. Sorry for deviating from the topic. I have attached a couple of images Noel Ansted recently sent of the cabinet wood for my guitar. He did mention that this was the last one he was going to build, but hey, Brett Favre is playing.


View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website


All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Jump to:  
Please review our Forum Rules and Policies
Our Online Catalog
Strings, CDs, instruction, and steel guitar accessories
www.SteelGuitarShopper.com

The Steel Guitar Forum
148 S. Cloverdale Blvd.
Cloverdale, CA 95425 USA

Click Here to Send a Donation

Email SteelGuitarForum@gmail.com for technical support.


BIAB Styles
Ray Price Shuffles for Band-in-a-Box
by Jim Baron