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Abe Levy


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Post  Posted 21 Oct 2009 3:25 pm    
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I've been playing for a year now and am getting pretty familiar with most common chords and inversions, but I can't seem to find a minor 7th chord on the E9 neck. I think I've got a standard Emmons set up 3X4. Anybody have a good chord for me?

Thanks!
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Brian Pelky

 

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Post  Posted 21 Oct 2009 3:49 pm    
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Hi Abe. You actually have a great minor 7 chord by simply hitting your no pedals down open string major triad inversions. That is, strings 10-8-6 or 8-6-5 or 6-5-4 or 5-4-3. As an example, playing strings 8-6-5 on the 3rd fret, no pedals, is not only a G chord (1,3,5 voicings)....it's also an E minor 7 chord (-3,5,-7 voicings). The same goes with your major triads with A+B pedals down. Those major triads are also minor 7ths chords a minor 3rd below the major chord (i.e. Bb major is also G minor 7, etc. etc.) The easiest way to grasp this is...say someone asked you to play an A Major chord. You'd probably play, say...strings 8-6-5 on the 5th fret no pedals. Now if you were asked to now play an A Minor 7 chord...all you'd have to do is slide up 3 frets and play the exact same strings. Think where the Major chord is, and simply slide up 3 frets and it's now a minor 7 chord.
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Larry Bell


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Post  Posted 21 Oct 2009 3:52 pm    
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Think IMaj --> iim7
G at fret 3
8, 6, 5(, 4) = GMaj with the tonic G on top and bottom
press A+B and change grip to 7, 6, 5, 4
7, 6, 5, 4 = Am7 The tonic is on the 7th string

Any time you are playing the I chord in the no pedals position (G on 3, A on 5, etc.) you will find the iim7 chord with A+B at that same fret.

The lever that lowers Es gives you a G#m7 open on all strings except 9.
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Abe Levy


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Post  Posted 21 Oct 2009 3:57 pm    
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Thanks guys!
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Brint Hannay

 

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Post  Posted 21 Oct 2009 8:20 pm    
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Lowering the E's gives a minor 7th, root on strings 6 and 3, sevenths on strings 7 and 1.

Open, or at the 12th fret, with E lowers is G#m7:

strings: 10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1

are...... 3-5-7-R-3-5-R-5-7 of G#m7

......... B-D#-F#-G#-B-D#-G#-D#-F#


3rd fret with pedals A+B--standard grips (10-8-6-5-4-3) = C major
4th fret with E lowers--standard grips (& string 2) = C minor
4th fret with E lowers--add string 7 or 1 = C minor 7th
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Rick Schmidt


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Prescott AZ, USA
Post  Posted 21 Oct 2009 9:41 pm    
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Bmin7: B Pedal- Strings 10, 9, 7, 6, 5

Bmin9: A+B Pedals- Strings 9, 7, 6, 5 (no root on bottom)

These are cool cuz you just have to take your foot off the pedals and keep the 9th string in there somewhere and you've got an F7 (the V7 of a IImin7 - V7 change)

In one fret lies a 2min7-57-IMaj change! Cool
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Clete Ritta


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San Antonio, Texas
Post  Posted 22 Oct 2009 9:52 am    
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One easy way to get a minor 7th is substitute AB for BC.
The BC combo yields a pure minor chord on 7,6,5,4
The AB combo yields the minor 7th on 7,6,5,4
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b0b


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Cloverdale, CA
Post  Posted 22 Oct 2009 10:02 am    
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Pedals down is Am7 at the third fret.

The lever that lowers your E strings is Am7 at the first fret.

The F# strings (1 and 7) are included in both of those positions. Skip the 9th string.

Also, if you have a lever that lowers strings 2 and 9 to C#, it makes an Em7 at the 3rd fret. Skip the F# string for this one.
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Ryan Barwin


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Post  Posted 29 Oct 2009 10:43 pm    
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anywhere you can get a 6th chord, you have a minor 7th chord...it's the relative minor. All the same notes.
For example, C6 is C E G A, and Am7 is A C E G.
You get A6 with the A and B pedals down, which is also F#m7.
You get B6 with the E lower, which is also G#m7.
Also, you have 3 notes of a minor 7th chord anywhere you can play a major chord.
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Jay Jessup


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Charlottesville, VA, USA
Post  Posted 30 Oct 2009 11:00 am    
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Abe,
All the above are correct but the best sounding inversion of the m7 for jazzier type stuff IMHO is the one Rick listed first in his post, you don't even really need the 10'th string in there.
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Rick Schmidt


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Prescott AZ, USA
Post  Posted 30 Oct 2009 2:06 pm    
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Jay Jessup wrote:
Abe,
All the above are correct but the best sounding inversion of the m7 for jazzier type stuff IMHO is the one Rick listed first in his post, you don't even really need the 10'th string in there.


Thanks for the validation Jay. IMO that version of a minor 7 is actually a pretty vanilla one. Strings 10, 9, 7, 6, 5 using the B pedal is the most basic formula for building the chord. (i.e. 1, b3, 5, b7, and octave root)

One of the things that has always frustrated me a little bit about E9 has been that it's not always the easiest to build chords from the root up like on guitar or piano (or C6)...so whenever possible I like to do that first, then look for upper partial inversions.
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Allen Kentfield


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Post  Posted 30 Oct 2009 3:34 pm     Minor seventh
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If you want to color a minor chord a little more, try a minor sixth: ABD 5,6,7,8.

Al
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