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Topic: New Excel at ISGC? |
Rick Schmidt
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Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 6:58 am |
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Can anybody who was there tell me more about the new Excel change-lock mechanism that a friend was telling me about. Supposedly it's a S-12 that's able to switch between E9 and C6 and still use the same pedals and levers!!!
Is such a thing possible??? |
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Jim Palenscar
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Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 7:55 am
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| Rick- come by and we'll talk- I have a drawing (somewhere) that was with the Excel 'splaining the system- pretty danged cool! |
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 9:53 am
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| So it's an E9/C6 Universal, not an E9/B6 Universal? |
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Jim Palenscar
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Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 3:38 pm
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| yup |
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Albert Svenddal
From:
Minneapolis, MN
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 6:56 pm
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I happened to get a chance to have Bill Stafford explain it to me early on Sunday morning and it raises or lowers a total of seven strings with the levers to make the tuning a true C-6th. It is pretty amazing. I asked if the strings could take that much change and he said that they would, although i think the gauges would maybe be a little different. The mechanics of that guitar are way cool. Didn't get a chance to really test drive the tone, but Bill sure made it sound great. Bill is such a good player. Albert
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Al Marcus
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Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 12 Sep 2007 8:35 pm Why not a S12 with E9 and E6?
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Sounds like an innovative new way. I'm glad that a builder is trying something like this. But why C6 instead of E6. A player can learn faster and relate E6 more with E9, the notes are mostley all similiar.
I know how to Take a S12 and tune it to E6, same as C6 only two whole tones highere,brighter, then with a lever, just change 3 strings and have EXACT E9. this way all the pedals work both tunings and the bar postitions are the same for both. In other words, G is 3rd fret on E9 and G is 3rd fret on E6. What could be simpler???...al
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Jim Palenscar
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Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2007 6:02 am
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| I believe that it was done to accommodate folks that had a problem with thinking B6 instead of C6 wanting to simply have both standard tunings on one neck. |
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Jay Jessup
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Charlottesville, VA, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2007 7:43 am
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Billy Cooper did a very similar thing a few years back with a GFI, it had a few componants that he designed himself to make it work, I think he was hoping GFI would build it but I don't think they saw a market for it. I think his reasoning was a lot of instructional materiel out there for C6, a good handful of steel instrumentals that are traditionally played on C6 with some open strings as well as a lot of players with a lot of time playing the back neck that wouldn't want to relearn stuff. I think Billy's was only a 10 string?
Anyhow it's interesting that someone else has decided to test the water. |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2007 9:28 am
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Jim...sorry I can't make it by the shop fer a little while....day job ya know 
I guess the big question for me is whether or not the E9 side of this idea is a true Extended E9(with the D note) or not? Otherwise, I don't see a whole lot of reason not to just go with an E9/B6 universal. |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2007 9:37 am
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| Sorry- Rick- I don't remember- but Bill Stafford probably will. |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 13 Sep 2007 10:04 am
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I wondered about that too. My E6 to E9 with the lever keeps the D on the 9th string with E on the 12th. No need for the low B. All the E9 knees work and usable also for E6. I'll set up a chart if anyone cares or are interested.....al.
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Peter Nylund
From:
Finland
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Posted 31 Jan 2008 6:07 am experimental tuning
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Here is a way to keep the D-string
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Mike DiAlesandro
From:
Kent, Ohio
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Posted 15 Mar 2021 4:29 pm Re: experimental tuning
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Here is a way to keep the D-string
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Peter- I am experimenting with your tuning on a S-12 MCI 3 up 3 down changer. I've installed all the changes with the exception of strings 1 and 2.
Pretty cool, for a D-10 player to have a convertible S-12 to use for the occasional C6th song they may have worked out.
I still need to add the changes for pedals 5, 6, and 7 of the C6th side to see how this changer can handle all of this added work load. Time will tell if this will work out on an older all-pull guitar, not designed for it, as the Excel was.
So far so good |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2021 7:41 pm
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| Greg Cutshaw has a web page and some post of the Excel S12 here on the forum. He has a lot of information on the guitar. Hope he joins in on this post. |
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Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
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Posted 16 Mar 2021 2:12 pm
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That's my guitar in the video!!
Green Machine. |
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Daniel McKee
From:
Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 16 Mar 2021 7:23 pm
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Super cool Mike! I've never been a fan of green but of the Excels I have seen in a couple different shades of green, I must say they look very nice. The Metallic green is a nice color.
Im sure this feature is offered in both scales but I guess this kinda defeats the need for longer scale to compensate for those what would normally be really low B6 strings to add more tension. Can anyone weigh in on that. |
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James Quackenbush
From:
Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 17 Mar 2021 6:42 am
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No more boo wha ?.....
I like the longer scale for more “punchâ€, and also increased sustain, and better harmonics.... however,this change is right up Mitsuo’s alley....If anyone can pull this off, he can !!....Jim |
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Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
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Posted 17 Mar 2021 9:21 am
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He offers this in both scales.
My 2008 E9/C6 is 25.5" scale, and my newer one (2018) is 24.125" scale.
I don't notice much of a difference. |
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Dan Ray
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 19 Mar 2021 4:37 pm E9 C6
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Rick! I love your playing. Your ext E9 chops are irreplicable.
Here's a quick Instagram post about their switching system. An amazing piece of engineering
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfqE1g7A1xn/?igshid=1aw0557mxc18w
Make sure you swipe left on the video to see the second video, the undercarriage is bonkers.
Edit: didn't realize someone already posted this here, oops.
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 19 Mar 2021 5:35 pm
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Following...
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2021 11:56 am
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Greg, just want to thank your for your methodical work and posting it here on the SGF. If there's anything to know about anything, you're a wonderful and reliable source, plus an outstanding player!
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2021 1:52 pm
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Greg, those tracks demoing the Franklin pedal really have great tone across the neck! What pickup, and what else is going on for that big, fat, rich tone?
Love it, and been considering an Excel for some time now, just mulling over how good its tone is and how tricky it might be to make copedent changes, I'm always experimenting on my extended E9, but am somewhat klutzy and easily aggravated by tight squeezes under the hood. Your thoughts?
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