Music and Politics don't mix!

Chris Scruggs · Post by **Chris Scruggs** » 20 Jul 2004 12:03 pm

If anyone thinks music and politics/personal views shouldn't mix, then that should include gospel music and national anthems.

If Linda had recently become a born again Christian and wanting to tell the audience about Jesus, and quote scripture, and she had been fired, would you think the same? It's still an opinion that could offend the audience. But if YOU agree, do you still mind?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

"Pinko Cow"? What is this, the McCarthy era? Unplug the chair, now.

Chris

P.S.

I qoute,"George Bush is a human being sinner who is forgiven". Does you give same sympathy to Bill Clinton?

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Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 20 Jul 2004 12:25 pm

Mr. Chris.

No!

Jesus did not conduct a terrorist attack on the United States on 9/11.

Jesus did not put out a lying crap movie cleverly disguised as a documentary that has the sole motive of slamming the President of the United States through the distorting of facts. Whether you agree with him or not he IS the President at a time of war. I am telling you that it will take another attack of even more monstrous proportions before the liberal socialist Democratic class warfare wealth redistribution pinheads finally see that the politicizing of terrorism is on the same par as treason.

Bill Clinton is a pig also. Just ask the women he raped and got away with it.

Bill, Michael, and Linda--three little pigs.

John De Maille · Post by **John De Maille** » 20 Jul 2004 12:30 pm

I just wish entertainers would just be ENTERTAINERS. If you want to be an acvtivist, then be one.Usually, people who go to concerts, want to be entertained by the artist of choice. If they want to hear political rhetoric, they'll go to a political convention, or watch it on TV. But, please, not both at the same time. Most of us know where we, as individuals, stand politically. Enough is enough.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 20 Jul 2004 12:33 pm

I might as well jump in before the topic gets closed. I had decided to just read and not comment until I read Mr. Johnson's reply. Put me down as agreeing with George K's comments....and stating everything that I was thinking. I cannot agree, however that the ticket, especially at today's prices, buys you nothing more than a seat? You have every right to expect to be entertained based on the performer's entertainment criteria. Unless specified on the ticket or literature promoting the event, that something other or more than entertainment, in this case a political announcement, is to be a part of the show, you shouldn't be held captive to the whims of the performer. Anytime a political view is expressed to the masses, a substantial risk of angering, irritating, or otherwise alienating at least half of your audience is to be expected.
Yes, the right to free speech is precious...as is the right to disagree.
And one should be prepared for the consequences that result from their statements. JMHO

Mark Metdker · Post by **Mark Metdker** » 20 Jul 2004 12:34 pm

Hey Chris, looking back on my response to you, I think it came out a little more harsh than I intended. I'm not pissed at anyone here. In fact, I love good healthy debate. Being a 25 year firefighter, I'm still a little touchy over 300 of my brothers getting killed at the WTC. We could drop a nuke over there as far as I'm concerned. That being said, EVERYONE here has a right to their opinion, and I respect that. I may not agree with you, but I will respect respect you, and your right to have it.

No problems on this end. Our ability to voice differences is what keeps us strong!

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 20 Jul 2004 12:35 pm

liberal socialist Democratic class warfare wealth redistribution pinheads

LOL!!

You forgot "bookworm peace-creeps," but I catch your drift.

The acronym "LSDCWWRP" should be created to speed up communication, much like "ROTFLMAO" and "FWIW," IMHO.

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Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 20 Jul 2004 12:39 pm

Like the rest of us, I believe that the final judgement on Bill Clinton will be based on is faith in Jesus, not on votes here or elsewhere.

Despite numerous recounts, there has never been a single bonafied instance that indicated that Bush did not win the 2000 election. Don't go confusing your feelings (e.g. hate) with the facts. As far as not winning the popular vote, you have to understand a thing or two about the electoral college system and that it's designed to protect less populous states from losing their say in the matter. Hillary also wanted to ditch it after 2000, so you're in "good" company there.

Again, Linda has every right to speak her mind. No one is arguing otherwise. Just as she'd prefer to not know she's among Republicans and Christians, perhaps they'd like not to know they're among their political opposite. So explain to me again, why we have to accept her opinion and let it go unchallenged. That's all the walk-out is, is a challenge or a rebuttal.

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Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 20 Jul 2004 1:02 pm

I appreciate knowing that Linda Ronstadt feels uneasy if she knows there is a Republican or conservative Christian in the audience.
I sure don't want that poor, sweet girl to feel uneasy. I guess I'll just stay home and practice my C6th neck.
Herb, have you got any more C6th tab for sale?
Erv

Chris Scruggs · Post by **Chris Scruggs** » 20 Jul 2004 1:04 pm

Mark,

No hard feelings. I also think what happened on 9/11 was terrible. I just think the answer in not in Iraq.

Bill,

Did you just call me a traitor, pinhead, pig? Did not the apostle Paul say,"Let not a rotten saying proceed out of your mouth"?

My final post on this spiraling thread,
Chris

Auset Sarno · Post by **Auset Sarno** » 20 Jul 2004 1:19 pm

ugh! ok boys, back to your steels..... go play some music.

Respectfully,
Auset

John Steele (deceased) · Post by **John Steele (deceased)** » 20 Jul 2004 1:31 pm

Linda R's situation is hardly unique... in fact, I wonder why it's been singled out.
Never mind the Dixie Chicks - last night in Toronto, Madonna apparently included a litany of anti-Bush remarks in her show.
I've just spent the last couple of weeks on the jazz/blues festival circuit, and at least half of the American groups that performed here voiced their opinions on the situation from the stage. I won't name them, it would take all day.
Luckily for me, I don't really care about anything but the music. I don't care about their stage clothing either, but I wouldn't expect them to get up naked.

-John

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Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 20 Jul 2004 2:05 pm

Linda R's situation is hardly unique... in fact, I wonder why it's been singled out.

It made the news because this time, the drunken rednecks trashed the hotel lobby.

Jerry Overstreet · Post by **Jerry Overstreet** » 20 Jul 2004 2:09 pm

Sorry guys, political and religious views have no place in an assembly that has gathered for an otherwise common interest...in this case music. This very thread is a perfect example of what happens when you introduce these views into a group with so many varied backgrounds and interests. This is probably why there used to be a separate board dedicated to off topic discussions and ultimately a separate forum for same. It is unfair to the participants to use a public assemblage to recruit followers or further ones political and religious causes and expect that they are of like mind. I wouldn't expect to hear political or religious views expressed at a music concert, unless it is billed that way, anymore that I would at a football game or an auto race. These things are supposed to be diversions to give us a respite from the rigors of everyday life.

Russ Young · Post by **Russ Young** » 20 Jul 2004 2:10 pm

Thanks for the civics lesson, Ron. I've known the difference between the popular vote and the electoral vote since the fifth grade, but I've been painfully reminded of the latter daily since the president's inauguration.

As for your desire to "Cheyney" Linda Ronstadt, I'm afraid to ask what that means, particularly when I think about what Dick Cheney has been doing to this country ...

Regardless of my politics, I agree with you that her audience has every right to respond negatively -- or positively -- to what she says. Considering the price of concert tickets these days, walking out is a strong statement.[This message was edited by Russ Young on 20 July 2004 at 03:23 PM.]

Jim Peters · Post by **Jim Peters** » 20 Jul 2004 2:25 pm

What a great thread. It does seem that one side claims their opinions as facts, and you better agree or be damned by no less than Jesus himself! That is what I dislike about some of the right wing contingent. To dispute the whole movie as crap is naive, do a search on Halliburton and see what YOU come up with, don't rely on someone else to do it for you. I humbly respect everyone's opinion here, and won't call you a name if I disagree. If I didn't like what you said between songs, I'd have no problem walking out of your gig. This is America, thank God!! (Brad and Auset, how's it going?) JimP

Janice Brooks · Post by **Janice Brooks** » 20 Jul 2004 2:26 pm

Closing for the length of ther subject.
However watch it with the name calling.