The Kids are Alright? P Townsend arrrested

Harry Dietrich · Post by **Harry Dietrich** » 18 Jan 2003 8:16 pm

Well the FBI might be able to get info off your hard drive, but the average person(like your wife), won't be able to, if you erase with the things we talked about. LOL!!

Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 18 Jan 2003 9:34 pm

Terry and David -- very interesting. I don't know a lot about computers, but I would imagine that there's a limit to the quantity of such "inaccessible" data that's stored on your hard drive. For example, if you use a lot of programs that use a lot of space and you continually store and retrieve data using these programs, and you continually open and close these programs and you regularly run your maintenance programs (such as the disk clean-up program), wouldn't the complete hard drive be over-written at least once in a relatively short period of time? Also, David, would there be a limit to how much memory the hard drive reserves for storing data that has no apparent use? In other words, if you continually visit site after site after site, and you tell the computer to erase all record of these sites, then there's only so much memory that will be devoted to storing the site addresses and other such data anyway, right?

Rich Weiss · Post by **Rich Weiss** » 19 Jan 2003 4:06 pm

I haven't heard anybody use the term, 're-initialize'. This is how many, including myself, defrag our hard drives in the Pro Tools audio world. After reinitializing, I was under the impression, everything's completely wiped clean. Is this wrong?

Terry Edwards · Post by **Terry Edwards** » 19 Jan 2003 7:26 pm

<SMALL> if you use a lot of programs that use a lot of space and you continually store and retrieve data using these programs, and you continually open and close these programs and you regularly run your maintenance programs (such as the disk clean-up program), wouldn't the complete hard drive be over-written at least once in a relatively short period of time?</SMALL>

<SMALL>After reinitializing, I was under the impression, everything's completely wiped clean. Is this wrong?</SMALL>

All the headers and addresses are initialized and the data (music) cannot be accessed or recovered using your pro tools application, however, until you record new stuff or rewrite over the old data with new program installations or new files you create, the data (music) is technically still there and a professional disc/data recovery person could retreive it for you.

Tom, I guess it depends on how big your hard drive is and how often your perform these maintenance procedures. The point is that the internet places you visit are stored on your hard drive and deleting cookies and temp files only renders this information inaccessible until it is overwritten.

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Ian Finlay · Post by **Ian Finlay** » 21 Jan 2003 5:13 am

In the UK, it IS illegal to transmit offensive material. This is covered by the Telecommunications Act 1984. And nobody has ever been prosecuted under it....

I recall over a year ago reading Pete Townsends web site, with some extensive campaigning stuff against child abuse. I'm still prepared to cut him some slack here, even though the credit card stuff looks bad. Apparently, of 700 names on the list, 400 were Police officers. I don't know in what capacity they were looking at the site though...

Remember, in the UK (i.e. YMMV) deleting files may be "destroying evidence".

Ian

Bill Fulbright · Post by **Bill Fulbright** » 25 Jan 2003 5:37 am

I have not seen anyone here mention that as a child Pete Townsend was abused.

Further, as he is writing a book about it, he was doing research to support the efforts of the book.

As a tireless supporter of Child Abuse organizations, I think the British Press and Police will end up not with an egg on their face, but a Western Omelette with Chili.

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Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 25 Jan 2003 6:02 am

It wouldn't be the first time, Bill...

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 26 Jan 2003 5:10 pm

There is another aspect to this that I find troubling. As reprehensible as kiddy porn is, I don't want the government telling me what I can and can't read. It's not a very big step from them saying it's illegal to look at kiddy porn to saying it's illegal to read the writings of Karl Marx, and from there to books like Huckleberry Finn or Catcher in the rye.

In Pakistan, it's illegal to preach Christianity. In fact, it's a death penalty offense. We don't want anything that even remotely smacks of that here.

Freedom to read whatever we want has to include material that the majority of people consider offensive.

The people who produce this filth deserve to go to prison. The people who only look at this stuff but may need psychiatric help, but they shouldn't go to jail.