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Gene Jones
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Post by Gene Jones »

Dave I understand, I certainly meant no offense in any way and I'm sure that you know what belongs in the various classification of today's music.

In the beginning however, the "Western" in Country & Western refered to what was known as "cowboy" music, i.e. Gene Autry, Sons of The Pioneers, etc ....music about cowboy themes in the old west.

The "country" evolved from early musicians like Jimmy Rogers, and later those who were associated with the Grand Ole Opry such as Roy Acuff.

The "western" in western-swing however came from the big-band swing music of the 1930s and 40s. The original western-swing music was essentially the same as the big-band swing music....only with different instrumentation....It was primarily instrumental dance music with a vocalist singing occasionally, but certainly not on every song, and many times not even considered necessary. Frank Sinatra can be credited with making the vocalist an important member of a band, and Tommy Duncan and Hank Thompson can probably be credited with doing the same for western-swing.

The original western-swing musicians were snobbish about being mistaken for what was back then called "hillbilly musicians" because they played many of the same instruments, Guitar players for example were overly sensitive that someone might mistake their jazz-oriented bar-chords on something like "How High the Moon", with one of those "open chord hillbilly players". Thankfully, the passage of 50 years has removed those perceptions of superiority among musicians. (it has, hasn't it) Image

But enough of history....music has become so homogenized since those days that it's hard to find agreement about what music belongs in what classification. Just try to get a dozen musicians to agree on what comprises "country" or "pop" or "jazz" today!

Have a good day.... Gene
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Post by Dave Birkett »

Gene, I agree 100% and no offense was taken. I've enjoyed the clips on your website. The last time I visited you had a couple of clips of a western swing group that you used to play with that were quite good. Thanks.
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Post by Al Marcus »

Gene-You explained the various wordings correctly. I lived through it too and that is the way it was...Happy New Year..al Image <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 04 January 2003 at 07:09 PM.]</p></FONT>
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All I know is ZZTop sounds more like country to me than some of what is marketed as country today. Image
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Post by Joe Casey »

I prefer to think of CMT as someone who is playing some country, infact what other venues broadcast the Opry, and other features that have Country Artist?..I may not like all the broadcast but there are some that you can't get nowhere else. So just select the ones you like as one does on any TV network. They may cater to the "young" audience but once in a while there is something for us old f@rts too.

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Post by Tim Harr »

I don't know what it is.... but the last time I saw John Hughey play on TV it was on CMT. He was on a re-broadcast of Austin City Limits. He sounded great and it gave me another opportunity to see his flawless right hand technique up close.. :-)

CMT was also the last place I saw Mooney playing on TV with Waylon. I enjoyed watching him play.

CMT was the last place I saw Tommy White playing steel on stage..

CMT was the last place I saw Dave Robbins playing steel on stage....(with Jean Shepherd) sp?

Without CMT ? Where are you going to see these guys play without being there in person.

For the wise guys out there (by in person) I wasn't talking about Waylon.. :-)

Thanks

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