Pedal / Knee Lever Relationships

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 5 Apr 2006 9:39 am

I'll go with the suggested program..3 up works for me..

good thing we all agree that it is at least the root chord ![This message was edited by Tony Prior on 05 April 2006 at 10:41 AM.]

Ben Jones · Post by **Ben Jones** » 5 Apr 2006 9:48 am

yeah 3 makes more sense to me also, and thats what i woulda called it if i had had the guitar in front of me, i guess I should add that the diminshed or whatever it is using just the F lever can be found every four frets, OR three frets up from each diminshed chord...is that right? Now I am confusing myself.

another good combo is ABF on 568 (no idea what kind of chord that makes) one fret below root in pedals down position, then slide up one fret and release the F but keep the AB pedals down so you have your major root in pedals down position. that is IF i got that right...I should wait till i have the guitar in front of me probably

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 5 Apr 2006 10:39 am

ABF is an augmented chord. It repeats four frets up.

Dont forget the minors. A pedal alone is the relative minor. BC pedals is the IIm.

Also, learn to play the tonic chord (the root chord of the key) up at the V chord fret with AB pedals down. Many players use that as a home position more than the open pedal tonic position. It gives more of that twangy pedal-mashin' sound.

If you are playing in a minor key. From the A pedal tonic minor position, drop back one fret and hit the AB pedals for the V chord. If you have a lever that raises your 7th string a half-step, that makes it the V7.

Any minor chord you can get with the BC pedals, drop down two frets and get the same minor chord with the E-lower lever.

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[This message was edited by David Doggett on 05 April 2006 at 11:41 AM.]

Alan Sim · Post by **Alan Sim** » 6 Apr 2006 12:25 am

Hi Guys

Thanks for all the replies,I have printed them and will try all your suggestions at the weekend.

Alan

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 6 Apr 2006 4:55 am

E-to-D# lever only = F# minor chord

When I do this, I get a G# minor.
Do I have my bar in the wrong place?

Joerg Schubert · Post by **Joerg Schubert** » 6 Apr 2006 5:58 am

Hi Alan.
I would recommend the book "Chord Progression Studies for the Pedal Steel Guitar" by Fred Layman to you.
He shows all important chords with applicable string combination, shows basic chord progression in the three basic positions, scales - harmonized scales horizontal and vertical orders. There are a structured explainations and exercises to each of the issues.
I've never understood that this book isn't a standard like Winnies is, in my humble opinion if comes to chords and scales there is no better one...
Just my 2 cents
Joerg
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Alan Sim · Post by **Alan Sim** » 6 Apr 2006 7:29 am

Hi Joerg

Thank you for the recommendation.

I have searched Amazon and Google,but I can't find any reference to this book.

Do you know where it may be available from?

Alan

Ben Jones · Post by **Ben Jones** » 6 Apr 2006 8:04 am

Whilsdt looking for something else I found this from our very own bOb, maybe it will help:
http://www.b0b.com/infoedu/e9theory.htm

he explains the pedal lever combos very well on this page and even offers a few hints as to their application.

Alan Sim · Post by **Alan Sim** » 6 Apr 2006 8:15 am

Hi Ben

Thanks for that,it has now joined the mound of printed matter I have to wade through.

Compared to all this theory,playing is easy !!!

Alan

Don Barnhardt · Post by **Don Barnhardt** » 6 Apr 2006 8:20 am

Ben...I was getting ready to make the same suggestion. That little article by Bobby has helped me more than any one thing I've tried including Winnie's book (which is great).

Mark Lind-Hanson · Post by **Mark Lind-Hanson** » 6 Apr 2006 8:53 am

Could someone let me know a place where the Mel Bay Chord Chart is available? It's in our public library's catalog, but never on the shelf, for some reason. I haven't noticed it available through the forum yet, either (in case it is)

Ben Jones · Post by **Ben Jones** » 6 Apr 2006 9:51 am

Ive seen it on amazon.com and in local music stores, ebay as well....

I havent had time to decypher it tho...looks like a buncha chicken scratchin to me at the moment ..hehe.

Mark Lind-Hanson · Post by **Mark Lind-Hanson** » 6 Apr 2006 9:58 am

I'll look over Amazon for it.

One of the things which helped me a great deal was taking the DeWitt Scott book and color coding the pedal/lever change charts using feltpens. I actually didn't completly finish that project, but got about 2/3 through it (since different color pens ran out of ink while I was busy with it.) -But that helped with pattern perception some.

Alan Sim · Post by **Alan Sim** » 6 Apr 2006 10:51 am

I got my copy of the Mel Bay chord chart from Amazon in the UK only 3 months ago.

You should have no trouble getting it.

Alan

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 6 Apr 2006 12:17 pm

Mark,
They come up on e-bay quite regularly.
Erv

Dean Cavill · Post by **Dean Cavill** » 6 Apr 2006 1:55 pm

Howdy,

No one actually answered your question.

"There is no relationship/"

All Pedals and Levers work independently,
except for tunable splits which is a whole
'nuther topic, perhaps not applicable in your case.

Chowder

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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 7 Apr 2006 2:56 am

no relationship ?

I think Alan is asking about Musical relationships of combinations..of which there are many..

many many's..

Joerg Schubert · Post by **Joerg Schubert** » 9 Apr 2006 10:56 pm

Alan,
check out this thread: http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/010410.html , maybe Fred L. has still some copies left...

Regards
Joerg

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Alan Sim · Post by **Alan Sim** » 9 Apr 2006 11:44 pm

I have sent Fred an email.

Fingers crossed.

Thanks

Alan

Alan Sim · Post by **Alan Sim** » 10 Apr 2006 12:58 am

Email to Fred returned undelivered.

If anyone knows how to contact Fred,would you let me know.

Thanks

Alan

Pat Kelly · Post by **Pat Kelly** » 10 Apr 2006 1:59 am

Funny that! I just sent a mail to his registered address here on the Forum and it went through. Better try again.

Duane Reese · Post by **Duane Reese** » 13 Apr 2006 7:21 pm

Hi Alan,

Here is a link to a video that shows some of the E9th basics, provided by Carter that might be helpful to kind of show what makes the whole thing tick.

http://www.steelguitar.com/resource/videos/vids6string.html

It is intended to help standard guitarists relate better to what's going on, but even if you don't play a regular guitar, it still is good to watch if you are just starting out.