Shobud Permanants & those who played them back when-----

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 27 May 2013 10:55 pm

At least some years ago, the spade guitar was owned by Kevin Owens, he played it here in Finland with Dale Watson. Incidentally on the same gig a Finnish steel player Göran Grönqvist was playing one of Lloyd Greens Buds. Of course I missed that show

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Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 31 May 2013 1:58 pm

I have to bring this back up. I've promised to post pictures of my D8 Sho-Buds for a few years, this way I'll constantly be reminded. They are no way anything special other to anyone but me. We're still trying. Jay Y.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 31 May 2013 8:08 pm

We'd love to see pics of your D-8's.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 3 Jun 2013 7:53 pm

Jay Yuskaitis wrote:I have to bring this back up. I've promised to post pictures of my D8 Sho-Buds for a few years, this way I'll constantly be reminded. They are no way anything special other to anyone but me. We're still trying. Jay Y.

Jay, We'd love to see pics of your shobuds---pleazzze??

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 3 Jun 2013 9:16 pm

We're working on it. They have been in storage for a few years, digging them out is a chore. Getting together with my son to take pictures and post them is the hard part. Bear with me. Jay Y.

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 7 Jun 2013 8:12 pm

Front neck has a pull release changer, with five floor pedals and one knee lever.
Unknown history, history was known by Dwayne Marrs. Unfortunately he passed away and we have no information on the guitar.

Jay Y.

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 7 Jun 2013 8:13 pm

Sho Bud D8 No pedals, purchased from Dewitt Scott many years ago. No history available. Photo of similar guitar on page 12 Steel Guitarist Magazine Issue 4, January 1980. 22" scale

Jay Y.

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 7 Jun 2013 8:15 pm

Was purchased as a 1961 Sho Bud D8. The only information I have is that Paul Warnik owned it many years ago.

Hope this is good enough.

Jay Y.

Alan Berdoulay · Post by **Alan Berdoulay** » 8 Jun 2013 2:03 am

Everywhere a ducktail. Oh my my

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 8 Jun 2013 3:46 am

Way cool, Jay!! Quite a sweet collection there!!

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 8 Jun 2013 7:07 am

I love the Ducktails! My favorite changer shape. I wish Shobud had continued to use that shape.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 9 Jun 2013 8:21 am

John Billings wrote:I love the Ducktails! My favorite changer shape. I wish Shobud had continued to use that shape.

John, Do you know about when Shobud quit the "duck-tail"?

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 9 Jun 2013 8:29 am

James,
I don't really know, but I would guess late '58 or early '59. It's a detail I'd love to know. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will be able to tell us. I think the Ducktail is a delightful compliment to the Gumby keyheads.

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 9 Jun 2013 1:07 pm

Hi, folks, So glad James and John are keeping this subject alive. Sho Bud, in mho, built the most beautiful cabinets of any steel guitar maker. Just a point of "maybe my poor information", Shot Jackson would say, "if'n it aint got a sharks fin, it aint a Sho Bud". I guess you can call it a fin or tail, or whatever you like. I think, just again mho, the tail or fin was discontinued about the time of the fingertip. Seems I've read, that Jerry Byrd had Shot build him a few D8's in the early or mid '60's. I believe they all had the fins or tails with no pedals, but, using all the same parts as the pedal guitars. Sho Buds have a wonderful sound, all of their own. Whatever, James and John, keep this subject going, for Petes, Lloyd, Curly's, and Buddy's, and of course, my sake. Thanks, Jay Y

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 9 Jun 2013 1:13 pm

Jay,
The '59 that I had, did not have fins/ducktails. It seems somewhat agreed that the F-tips came along sometime in '63. And Shot may have had a small stockpile of old changers for Jerry's guitars. Or, he may have still had the molds, or sandcastings could be made, I suppose.
JB

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 9 Jun 2013 9:42 pm

Hi John, I guess there's nothing cut and dried with the early Sho Buds. Serial numbers are also something I can't figure out. Two of my D8's have 6 digit serial numbers, yet my Professional and early Pro I have 4 digit numbers, seems there is no rhyme or reason other than to whom stamped the early ones. Guess it makes it all interesting. Take care, Jay Y.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 10 Jun 2013 2:58 am

Jay,
I think Bobbe said that some guitars like my F-tip had serial numbers that corresponded to order/invoice form numbers. Mine is something like 429 429. And, after getting involved with Baldwin, it seems that Shot/David, reserved a series of numbers for their own use.
JB

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 10 Jun 2013 4:58 am

John Billings wrote:Jay,
I think Bobbe said that some guitars like my F-tip had serial numbers that corresponded to order/invoice form numbers. Mine is something like 429 429. And, after getting involved with Baldwin, it seems that Shot/David, reserved a series of numbers for their own use.
JB

Harry told me this--- The serial numbers corresponded to a sales slip for warranty purposes. They repeated the numbers to make Shobud Company look bigger. Thus 429429, 211211, 206206, etc.. There was no special code or system prior to 1970.

Shobud's "organised" serial numbers appeared about 1970, which makes sense about the reserved numbers following the Baldwin era. Baldwin crossovers appeared in late '67, and those crossover numbers likely fit Baldwin's buisness plan.

Gene Haugh was the "last man standing" for Shobud guitars, the best that I know, and he can run serial#'s back to 1970. He has a thread going about that topic(do a search). To the best of my knowledge, Gene is the "go-to-guy" about serial numbers back to 1970. He can tell you who the original customer was that a guitar was ordered for as well as who built that guitar. Earlier than 1970? good luck, the serials corresponded to a sales slip for warranty purposes, according to Harry J.

Harry also advised me to not obsess over serial numbers, that I am better off if I practice more instead.

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 10 Jun 2013 9:02 am

Thanks fellas, Jay Y.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 16 Jun 2013 2:30 pm

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 17 Jun 2013 1:42 pm

Some other good readings:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=127037

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=247480

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... &start=100

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 27 Jun 2013 4:53 am

Jay Yuskaitis wrote:Front neck has a pull release changer, with five floor pedals and one knee lever.
Unknown history, history was known by Dwayne Marrs. Unfortunately he passed away and we have no information on the guitar.

Jay Y.

Jay, Is that the original finish, or has this one been refinished? Unique sunburst!

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 27 Jun 2013 7:12 am

Hi James, This Sho Bud is definitely a re finish and a re vamp of the permanent linkage to an adjustable set up using the original changer. This was my regular gigging steel for many years. I don't remember what the tuning was when I got it. The tuning I have is the standard E9th minus the 2nd D# and the 9th D. I only use two pedals, standard A&B and the knee lowering the 2 Es. This steel plays very easily, stays in tune, and very rarely breaks the .011 G#, even though it does not have a "roller nut". The back neck has the standard 6th tuning in case I get lost on the front neck. Even though the original pickups have long since disappeared, the George L's sound great. This steel is similar to the double neck that Don Helms played with pedals on the front neck only. Take care, Jay Y.

Jay Yuskaitis · Post by **Jay Yuskaitis** » 27 Jun 2013 1:24 pm

Hi James, I had to jump back in and say a few things. I haven't had a "steel" gig since September of 2007. I'd been using a "Fender Twin" since 1965, hauling it and breaking my back, along with a pedal Sho Bud. I'd put casters on the twin a few years before. On this day, along with hauling a "Twin", "Dobro", Double neck steel, out of my van, across 100 yards of grass, having the others wanting to use the "twin" for the singers amp took its toll on me that day. I was pushing 66 years, fed up. They all went into storage, I went back to playing the flat top, and trying to pick and sing as I did in the 1950's. Recently, in the past few weeks, I took a "silver face twin" in trade for my son from forum member,"Dan". To try it out, I dug out a few steels and found out just what Myron Floren said was true. "If I miss one days practice, I know it, If I miss two days practice, my family knows it, if I miss three days practice, everybody knows it". I hope you'll let me comment as a viewer, rather than a player. By the way, the last gig had a ended up a freebie. Thanks for the patience. Jay Y.

James Morehead · Post by **James Morehead** » 27 Jun 2013 2:46 pm

Jay, We enjoy your comments, please keep them coming.

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