If they stoped calling it Country

Archie Nicol R.I.P. · Post by **Archie Nicol R.I.P.** » 29 Jun 2009 3:57 pm

Chrissie Hynde bemoaned the fact that US rock stations would only play The Pretenders' latest single with the steel(Eric Heywood) removed. Can't be rock if it has steel??!! I am depressed.

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Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 29 Jun 2009 4:48 pm

Well, Joe and Rick, beans are the musical fruit.

LJ Eiffert · Post by **LJ Eiffert** » 29 Jun 2009 5:13 pm

Hello Joachim Kettner,The Nashville Sound came from Los Angeles and Bakersfield,California to Nashville,TNN. by way of Ralph Mooney,Pete Drake,Buddy Emmons and many others.But,the real sound came from Red Rhodes,Tom Brumley,Jay Dee Maness,Carl West,Art Sanchez and many others also.Just like the Chicken Pickin came from Bill (Hoss)Huffman,Al Bruno,James Burton,Jimmy Bryant,Phil Baugh,Danny Michaels and many others. In the 30th,40th &50's is was called corn-whole cause most of your singers would sing out of there nose.No need to fight over this, " It Is What It Is ",Country Music.

,Leo J.Eiffert,Jr.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 1 Jul 2009 5:51 am

The Nashville Sound came from Los Angeles and Bakersfield,California to Nashville,TNN.

Leo, can you explain this statement? I don't believe there is any truth to it at all.

Robert Tripp · Post by **Robert Tripp** » 1 Jul 2009 6:20 am

Looking at the big picture, I think that Country Music is what we want it to be as a listening audience. The Travis Tritt fans think that's country, cuz that's what they grew up with and associate with. Many of them came over from rock music when it started going from what we call classic rock to Metal and now even worse.

People are programmed, by whatever means to enjoy a particular type of sound. My Dad loved western swing, and I was all about the beatles. Mainly because we were convinced by marketing and radio DJs that we were supposed to like a particular kind of music.

My wife is 18 years younger than me. She likes 70s rock, (yeck)!! but has also discovered country music and really really loves AKUS.

A person who loves music, will find good and bad in every genre. Some of the great traditional country artists and songwriters had some great music, which inspired many of the great country artists and writers of today's country music.

Country became such a hot commodity that everyone climbed on the band wagon, maily because they couldn't get on any other wagon. Not heavy enough for metal, not new age enough for FM. Not ethnic enough for Rap. As much as it irritates me, I have to admit that a Rap artist, is still an artist, doing what they love, whether I like it or not.

People who love music, will find a genre that fills a need in their life. My turned out to be country music, which does not include very much of the New Country, but that is what sells to the younger audience, so guess what gets played. When you get old like me, and you don't understand what's going on anymore, there is usually one simple rule.

Follow The Money!!!!!!!!

Mark Lind-Hanson · Post by **Mark Lind-Hanson** » 1 Jul 2009 9:37 am

If they stopped calling it "country" then they could just call it "hats."
That's cause "hats" is all it takes to get it called "country"!
Dang.

Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 1 Jul 2009 11:00 am

Mark Lind-Hanson wrote:If they stopped calling it "country" then they could just call it "hats."
That's cause "hats" is all it takes to get it called "country"!
Dang.

Look what I have on my head

its not a cowboy hat.

Joe

Glen Derksen · Post by **Glen Derksen** » 1 Jul 2009 7:13 pm

Barry Blackwood wrote:
The Nashville Sound came from Los Angeles and Bakersfield,California to Nashville,TNN.
Leo, can you explain this statement? I don't believe there is any truth to it at all.

It's always been my understanding that the Nashville sound was a direct product of Nasville with it's strings and orchestra sounds. Bakersfield, on the contrary, came up with it's own sound...twangy Telecasters, crooning fiddles, and crying steel guitars.

Leslie Ehrlich · Post by **Leslie Ehrlich** » 1 Jul 2009 9:52 pm

Robert Tripp wrote:Looking at the big picture, I think that Country Music is what we want it to be as a listening audience.

When I mention 'old' country music, some people I know think of Waylon Jennings, Dolly Parton, Kenny Rogers, Conway Twitty, Tanya Tucker, and whoever else was a superstar in the 1970s.

I have a brother who don't think much of traditional country music. His idea of country music is groups like the Eagles and Blue Rodeo.

To me, country music is what I was first exposed to. My parents had some records with songs that were recorded from the 1930s to the early 1960s, there were country music programs on TV in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and my dad tuned into a country radio station that played current and older top 40 country hits.

I am like a lot of whiners and complainers on this forum - I like the old stuff with fiddle and steel. On the other hand I've accepted the fact that music is constantly changing, regardless of genre. If I don't like what's currently happening, I don't pay any attention to it. There are a hell of a lot more important things to worry about than the state of popular music.

LJ Eiffert · Post by **LJ Eiffert** » 1 Jul 2009 9:59 pm

So Glen Derksen Right! How did all that sound get to Nashville by way of Tangy Telecasters,crooning fiddles,and crying steel guitars.Let see,I think it was Merle Travis,Joe Maphis,Willie Nelson,Chet Atkens,Phil Baugh,James,Burton,Jim Bryant,Roy Clark,Glen Campbell,Al Bruno,Buck Owens,Jerry Reed and so on.Than kick in the Fiddle with Johnny Gimble,Billy Armstrong,Mark O'Connor and many others into the Steel guitarist like Pete Drake,Ralph Mooney,Buddy Emmons,Lloyd Green,Jay Dee Maness,Jeff Newman and many others who's sound was the foundation from LA/Bakersfield to Nashville,Tnn.

Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. from the 9th ward of New Orleans,Lousiana.

Glen Derksen · Post by **Glen Derksen** » 1 Jul 2009 10:30 pm

LJ, Let me see if I can sum it up this way:

First, before the stringy and orchestrated Nashville sound, there was Merle Travis, Johnny Gimble, Chet Atkins, Grady Martin, Jimmy Day, and Buddy Emmons.

Then the Nashville sound came around somewhere from the late 50's to the early 60's.

In the late 50's and Early 60's, the California/Bakersfield thing came up with atists such as: Buck Owens and the Buckaroos, Merle Haggard and the Strangers, Wynn Stewart, Rose Maddox, Wanda Jackson, Joe Maphis(and yes, he was a big thing in California) Ralph Mooney, and Jimmy Bryant.

Then sometime in the mid to late 60's and into the 70's there were Nashville artists such as: Glen Campbell, Willie Nelson, Jerry Reed, Pete Drake, Jeff Newman Lloyd Green, Roy Clark and Phil Baugh.

Then we get into the 80's and on and it was Mark O'Conner, Jay Dee Maness, Brent Mason and many others.

I can't put my finger on some of the others you mentioned, but that's basically how it went. True, the crooning fiddles and steel guitars started in Nashville, but during the Nashville sound period, fiddles and steel guitar were a bit overshadowed by the strings and orchestras. The twangy Telecaster thing DEFINITELY originally in California/Bakersfield.

Scott Shipley · Post by **Scott Shipley** » 1 Jul 2009 11:13 pm

The Nashville Sound came from Los Angeles and Bakersfield,California to Nashville,TNN.

PLEASE don't blame Bakersfield for the Nashville sound.......not even close.

You might as well blame Red Foley for the Nashville sound!

Scott Shipley · Post by **Scott Shipley** » 1 Jul 2009 11:16 pm

The twangy Telecaster thing DEFINITELY originally in California/Bakersfield.

The twangy Telecaster thing originated in California, because that's where JIMMY BRYANT was living when Leo designed it for him. Had he been living in Austin, it would have originated there.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 2 Jul 2009 6:34 am

Let see,I think it was Merle Travis,Joe Maphis,Willie Nelson,Chet Atkens,Phil Baugh,James,Burton,Jim Bryant,Roy Clark,Glen Campbell,Al Bruno,Buck Owens,Jerry Reed and so on.Than kick in the Fiddle with Johnny Gimble,Billy Armstrong,Mark O'Connor and many others into the Steel guitarist like Pete Drake,Ralph Mooney,Buddy Emmons,Lloyd Green,Jay Dee Maness,Jeff Newman and many others who's sound was the foundation from LA/Bakersfield to Nashville,Tnn.

Leo, to the best of my (limited) knowledge, many of the above artists you named didn't have the slightest thing to do with the Bakersfield/west coast sound or bringing it to Nashville, as you allege.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 2 Jul 2009 7:37 am

Mr. Eiffert I too do not think your defintion of Nashville sound is correct. In a book I read, there was an interview with Chet Atkins. He said:
I don't know if there is such a thing as Nashville sound. We took the twang out of it, Owen Bradley and I. What we did was we tried to make hit records. We wanted to keep our job. The way you make hit records is to incorporate a new rhythm feel or something lyrically different. In my case, it went more uptown. I'd take out the steel guitar and fiddle, which branded the song as strictly country. I tried to make songs for both markets. This is the book wher I read it:
http://www.amazon.com/Country-Journey-R ... 037570082X
Joachim

Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 2 Jul 2009 8:04 am

Joachim Kettner wrote:
Mr. Eiffert We took the twang out of it, Owen Bradley and I. What we did was we tried to make hit records. We wanted to keep our job. The way you make hit records is to incorporate a new rhythm feel or something lyrically different. In my case, it went more uptown. I'd take out the steel guitar and fiddle, which branded the song as strictly country. I tried to make songs for both markets. This is the book wher I read it:
http://www.amazon.com/Country-Journey-R ... 037570082X
Joachim

Wow- Chet Atkins would love todays country. So he is the one that started it $:\$ Joe

Glen Derksen · Post by **Glen Derksen** » 2 Jul 2009 8:48 am

The way I see it, Bakersfield picked up where Nashville left off.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 2 Jul 2009 8:50 am

Mr. Eiffert We took the twang out of it, Owen Bradley and I.

Joe, you altered Mr. Kettner's quote to make it look like Chet addressed Mr. Eiffert directly.

Wow- Chet Atkins would love todays country. So he is the one that started it.

Since Mr. Atkins passing, I would think it even more unacceptable to substitute your theories for his, even in jest, just to try and make your point.

Robin Archer · Post by **Robin Archer** » 2 Jul 2009 9:47 am

Thought Owens, Haggart, Stewart and Maddox WERE the Bakersfield sound?
->R

Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 2 Jul 2009 10:09 am

Joachim Kettner wrote:
Mr. Eiffert I too do not think your defintion of Nashville sound is correct. In a book I read, there was an interview with Chet Atkins. He said:
I don't know if there is such a thing as Nashville sound. We took the twang out of it, Owen Bradley and I. What we did was we tried to make hit records. We wanted to keep our job. The way you make hit records is to incorporate a new rhythm feel or something lyrically different. In my case, it went more uptown. I'd take out the steel guitar and fiddle, which branded the song as strictly country. I tried to make songs for both markets. This is the book wher I read it:
http://www.amazon.com/Country-Journey-R ... 037570082X
Joachim

OK $:\$

Glen Derksen · Post by **Glen Derksen** » 2 Jul 2009 11:39 am

Robin Archer wrote:Thought Owens, Haggart, Stewart and Maddox WERE the Bakersfield sound?
->R

Correct!

LJ Eiffert · Post by **LJ Eiffert** » 2 Jul 2009 1:15 pm

Now everybodies brains are working. Just dig a litle deeper. Some body needs to talk to " Lawton Jiles " from this side of the Country (California) and then talk to little Jimmy Dickens in Nashville,Tnn. And with all those others would fall right in line from the people like Webb Pierce,Ferlin Huskey,Carl Perkins,Don Gibson,Warner Macpherson,Faron Young,Mel Tillis to Dave Rich song " Chicken House " right into California's own Buck Owens,Roger Miller,Tommy Collins,Freddie Hart,Ned Miller,Bonnie Guitar,Tex Williams and that Hello Country Bumpkin Cal Smith. So who was all those musicians behind them Artist records? California or Nashville or was it both together! Somebodies History who cares about it. Sincerely in Country Music,Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. with all for all who care.

John Cipriano · Post by **John Cipriano** » 2 Jul 2009 7:51 pm

I'm surprised no one mentioned alt-country as a genre or term. I usually just assume if it's alt-country I'll like it and if it's mainstream country, well...

What better way to pay tribute to tradition than to actually play the stuff?

Mark Lind-Hanson · Post by **Mark Lind-Hanson** » 2 Jul 2009 8:01 pm

But, Joe, it's still a hat!

Jeff Evans · Post by **Jeff Evans** » 2 Jul 2009 8:24 pm

Look what I have on my head Smile . . .

So, it's chamber pot music.

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