Anyone switch from D-10 or U12 to SD-10 S-10?

[Tom Campbell]

Anyone switch from D-10 or U12 to a SD-10, S-10?

I'm speculating the switch would be to simplify one's playing needs...in other words no need/demand for a dedicated C6 tuning. Or...age related issues.

[John Billings]

I switched from a D-10 to a 12 Uni Kline in '84. Took me one day to get used to it. Recently traded my Kline for a '63 S-10 Fingertip. But the tuning will incorporate some of the U-12 facets. No D string, it'll be a pull on a knee. Low E string added. Gonna have to learn some new grips! Should take another day.

[Len Amaral]

Hi Tom:

Playing the U-12 is a joy but carrying it is not. So I have a U-10 being made and expect delivery in several weeks.

5 pedals and 6 knee levers on single 10 body. It's basically every thing a U-12 offers without the 11 & 12 strings.

No C pedal and no Boo-wha pedal. A vertical above A & B pedals that raise string 4 (E to F#)

I'll report back when I get the guitar but it should be very light and I should fall into it with no learning curve.

[Larry Bressington]

About seven years ago I went from a fully loaded D10 down to a basic Pure single 10... Making peace and coming to realize my short comings and expectations of this massive instrument, it was the best thing I ever did. I now have one copedent that I have scrutinized over every minute detail and lever/pedal option, and I have settled in nicely.

I'm never going to be a monster pecker and that's just the way it is, 10 strings is More than enough to keep me wrapped in knots for the rest of my life!

[James Jacoby]

Anyone switch from D-10 or U12 to a SD-10, S-10?

I'm speculating the switch would be to simplify one's playing needs...in other words no need/demand for a dedicated C6 tuning. Or...age related issues.

A few years back, I switched from a Sierra U-12 to a Carter S-10(Case and PSG, about 39 lbs.) But, as I'm in my middle seventies, the main issue was the great weight of the Sierra. I really liked the concept of the U-12, though, so I had the S-10 set up with same copedent as a universal, with the pedals and levers I had on the S-10 (4x5) being the ones I used on the Sierra. That worked out well, till my skill level increased to the point that I wanted a U-12 again. I was able to find a Carter U-12 used, for $1000. I bought it, and had the copedent changed to the same as I had it on the Sierra, with the exception of the addition of a Franklin pedal. I kept my two identical S-10s (I had purchased another S-10 so I could leave one set up for practice, and one ready in the case to play out with. I added Franklin pedals on the two S-10s, also.)If I get good enough on the U-12, at some later date, I may look for another Carter U-12, and sell the two S10s. That is---if I can stay out of the home! I'm over 75, you know! -Jake-

[b0b]

I switched from a D-12 to an S-8. It does everything I need, has 1/3 as many strings to tune, and weighs a lot less. I get enough traditional C6th and E9th sounds to satisfy the bandleaders I work with (mostly folkies). Watch http://youtu.be/8FqkYnC5QnA or listen to http://soundhost.net/2014/06/live-at-ga ... n-5242014/. Your milage may vary.

My friend Johnnie Robbins went from a U-12 7+5 to an S-10 4+4. He plays better than ever now that he doesn't have all that extra crap on his guitar. He didn't add the D string - still gets it with a knee lever. His 10th string is G#, just like on his old U-12.

[Ian Rae]

I suppose a U-10 is the opposite of an extended E9 - uni changes but no extension. I play a D10 and I'm building an U12. I thought about a U10 but two things steered me away.

1. Although I don't use the 10th string much on the C6, I think I would miss the 9th, and I don't know what else I could do without.

2. How much do two extra strings above deck actually weigh? Surely the saving comes from how much hardware you omit underneath. Ditching the C pedal helps. On my C6 I have no boo-wah - P8 raises 7 and that's it. P5 lowers 6 and raises 9 but not 10 (although I might add it at some point).

So I'm sticking with U-12 but only putting on what I really need. Of course it depends on your music - I started playing with country in mind but got kind of sidetracked into swing.

[Dave O'Brien]

I could not imagine playing a gig without a D-10 or U-12 I'd miss the 5th and 8th (boo-wah) pedals too much.

[Tony Glassman]

U-12: Great idea and I tried....I bought 2 Zum Unis and locked my D-10's in the closet for 3 months. I just could never make the "mental shift" of playing one fret higher, and looking at those two extra strings. In the end, it wasn't all that much lighter than my D-10s

S-10: Also tried. Had a couple of PP S-10s. I loved'em both but always missed the C6th neck too much.

[Herb Steiner]

Richard Comeaux, a monster picker from Louisiana, removed the D note from his 10-string tuning, moved the low B to s.9, and has a G# on s.10, pulled to A w/pedal 2. He raises s.9 B to D with a lever. He gets some amazing speed licks in the lower register. but it's not a universal tuning, just a slightly lower registered E9.

[chris ivey]

i would think switching to an s10 would be because either someone can't figure out anything beyond that, or to simplify their equipment where limitation is not a concern.

[Alan Brookes]

Given the number of D10s that have had one of their necks removed, I think a lot of people over the years have made this transition.

Have you noticed that no-one ever removes the far neck?

I switched from a D-12 to an S-8. It does everything I need...

You're right. I'm thinking of selling my SD12.

[Lane Gray]

I find it more comfortable playing the far neck. And levers feel better near the back of the guitar, AND they're easier to futz with if the levers don't have to contend with pull rods.
So there're ergonomic and mechanical reasons for doing it that way.

[Dave Hopping]

I went from a D-10 to an S plus-a-little 10.It was easier to fake the little C6 stuff I do than to carry a heavier guitar.Then I got a U-12,which is my #1,but the S plus-a-little still goes out when the need for convenience overrides the need for low notes and B6.

[Tom Campbell]

I have a few (3) Sierra U12's that I reduced to a 4 pedal 5 knee setup. This gives me all I need...min7/6th, dom7, maj7, 9th, aug. dim. in chord configurations. Plus, it lightens the "load". I'm 71, and am beginning to notice the keyless restring process is getting more difficult because of lost strength in my wrist and forearm.

[Lee Baucum]

I have both a U-12 and an S-10.

I have no problems whatsoever switching from the U-12 to the S-10; but, after playing the S-10 at a few rehearsals and gigs, I really have problems playing the U-12.

[Tony Prior]

D10 to S10

[Jean-Sebastien Gauthier]

D10 to S10

Tony can you please tell your copedent? Im thinking about giving a try to U10.

[John Russell]

I could see making the change back to an S-10 using some of these copeds. My first 10-string was a Sho-Bud Pro 1 with no D string and a low E. Now that I've played S-12 Universal for all these years I can conceptualize a 10-string universal setup using the 6 pedals and 5 KLs. That said, I'm pretty comfortable with my two 12 stringers and if I needed to lighten up, I'd try to find a lighter guitar like my old GFI 12-string. Very nice guitars and quite light. So far, at age 66, and my recent history of back problems, I'm pretty happy with my 37 lb. Zum SD-12 with 6 and 5. My Sierra 12 is another story, that bad boy weighs 55 lbs. ;~(

[Tony Prior]

D10 to S10

Tony can you please tell your copedent? Im thinking about giving a try to U10.

sure..this is a very typical and standard E9th...

I don't lower 5, I use redundant positions for the same 8+5 positions

standard ABC Emmons

Left leg E's raise and lower

right knee left, raise 1 and 2, lower 6

right knee right lower 2 ( 2x) and lower 9



Previous and other Steels I raise 7 rather than lower 6, I like the 6 lower but it is important to not play across the fret board as the 6 lower with 1 and 2 raise is a conflict...

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