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Topic: Synth guitar? on Orpy sounds like steel |
Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 6:42 pm |
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Jim,
Thanks! I know Gregg didn't play steel licks.
Playing with Paul I don't think he got the opportunity to and he didn't want to. Playing what is needed and was called for is important in music today!
I'm saying Gregg played what he felt at the time! It was a special thing! Theresa[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 16 October 2000 at 07:55 PM.] |
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 7:37 pm
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This is a hard one for me to call.I had guitar players who played steel licks in the old days when I didn't carry a steel in the band.That only made us realize that we should have one so we got a good one (Jim Smith).We even took a little less each night until club owners realized what we had.So if a situation called for a guitar player who has that ability to use his good judgement I think thats fine. However saturday night with Tommy around ,that wasn't good judgement.However it was good playing.But there is nothing like the real deal.JMHO
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[This message was edited by Joe Casey on 16 October 2000 at 08:43 PM.] |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 9:46 pm
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Asking whether a guitar player should play steel licks is kind of like asking if a steel player should play guitar licks. I'd say do whatever the situation requires. Versatility is the key. In some situations I find myself playing distorted slide guitar licks on my steel because that's what needed in the band. I see nothing wrong with a guitarist trying to sound like a steel, if there is no steel in the band. As Jim said , the Opry does seems like an odd venue to do this. The reason that I brought up this topic in the first place is because I was so surprised to hear this guitarist. I noticed the sound immediately and I sat "bolt upright" in my chair looking for the steel player!
Ron, funny that you should mention Jim Armenti. I just got home tonight from a recording session with Jim! He is a wonderful musician and he has great ideas for parts, harmonies, etc. I did overdubs on 5 songs... dobro, lap steel (C6) and pedal steel. Tomorrow night we finish up 3 more songs. Unfortuately the studio is on the 4th floor... no elevator! 
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 11:34 pm
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I know a brilliant guitar player by the name of D.R. Auten who can play C6 style on a Strat better than alot of real C6 steel players ( ALOT of 6 stringers have copied E9th style with varying amounts of success...) not because he's trying to put anything over on anybody, or anything so shallow as that, but because he has tremendous ears, ridiculous chops, and loves the music that steel guitarist make. It's just one of the many bags that his ears have tranferred over to his hands. We should all have such ears!
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 17 Oct 2000 5:01 am
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An imatation is ALWAYS just that----an imatation. If you want to musically lend credence to an imatation then do so. Pretty shallow in my estimation.
I did not see the actual crime described. A guitarist on the Grand Old Opry attempting to take the place sonically of a pedal steel guitar??!!!
Reminds me of some of the math/reasoning theories we studied in school---"A cow has four legs,a dog has four legs,therefore a dog is a cow".
Got to be some deep Freudian problem waaayyyy down in the brain stem of this guitarist and anyone else who remotely tolerates this travesty. Steel guitar licks played on the underarm guitar is one of the most hackneyed, ugly,trite, souless sounds. Sort of like "chicken pickin'" on a trumpet!!!!!!!!!!!
An old 1800s saying---A gentleman is a man who can play the saxophone-but choses not to. |
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Andy Alford
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Posted 18 Oct 2000 3:42 am
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| If you have a group who has a guitar player who can sound like a steel then that's geting two for one.I was impressed with Earwood's guitar player.The steel sound was there in the song without the pedal steel. |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 18 Oct 2000 11:36 am
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| There are a lot of things that a steel does that are impossible on guitar or synth. Pop licks, though, can be played on just about any instrument. |
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 20 Oct 2000 6:36 am
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CJC
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Harry Hess
From:
Blue Bell, PA., USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Oct 2000 6:40 pm
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Ahh...bulldingy. The guy sounded like crap. I don't think he sounded at all like a PSG. If that's what a pedal steel is supposed to sound like... I got two Emmons and a Fessenden for sale.
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HH |
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Kenny Dail
From:
Kinston, N.C. R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Oct 2000 8:23 pm
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The guitar player in question became famous for playing a PSG lick and I might add, it was done with a great degree of difficluly which entitles him to all the accolades. On the other hand, (great title for a country song) a PSG player playing the same lick on a steel most likley would have been nothing special but instead, a rather basic accomplishment.
Perhaps this was done as an indicator of things to come from those that have the power.
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Bob Hempker
From:
Goodlettsville, TN.
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Posted 26 Oct 2000 7:07 am
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I have but one question.: How does a keyboard player, guitar player, or any other player "THINK" like a steel player. They may pull off a song or lick here and there, and use the Vol pedal for swells and such, but to play like a steel player, one has to "THINK" like a steel player, IMHO.
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 26 Oct 2000 7:38 am
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Bob,
How does a steel player think like a horn, keyboard, guitar player etc. Can't other musicians learn from each other? |
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Boomer
From:
Brentwood, TN USA
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Posted 27 Oct 2000 4:31 am
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Bob - "Think like a steel player"???
Is that an oxymoron?  Best, Boomer |
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 27 Oct 2000 5:35 am
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You mean other musicians still help each other???? I thought it was everyman for himself.  Oboy now watch someone take me serious.
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Bob Hempker
From:
Goodlettsville, TN.
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Posted 30 Oct 2000 8:05 am
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Theresa, with all due respect, learning from each other, which I feel we all have done, and completely "replacing" another instrument is two different things. I think you're comparing apples to oranges. I enjoy listenting to synthesizers, and appreciate the things they can do. I just don't feel that you can replace another instrument totally with a synthesizer player. Sure, I've learned from horn players, guitar players, keyboard players, and such, but I would only be fooling myself to think I could use a midi rig and actually "replace" any other bona fide musician(s). I feel that when you adopt an instrument as "your instrument," after a period of time it becomes an extension of your being. Another person who plays a totally different instrument cannot completely think the same way as someone who has devoted their entire life to playing a certain instrument. Again, they may pull off a lick, riff, or even a complete solo on something, but to totally replace any other instrument with a synthesizer keyboard, guitar, steel midi, or anything else, is but a temporary "gimmick."
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Bob Hempker
From:
Goodlettsville, TN.
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Posted 30 Oct 2000 8:06 am
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Theresa, with all due respect, learning from each other, which I feel we all have done, and completely "replacing" another instrument is two different things. I think you're comparing apples to oranges. I enjoy listenting to synthesizers, and appreciate the things they can do. I just don't feel that you can replace another instrument totally with a synthesizer player. Sure, I've learned from horn players, guitar players, keyboard players, and such, but I would only be fooling myself to think I could use a midi rig and actually "replace" any other bona fide musician(s). I feel that when you adopt an instrument as "your instrument," after a period of time it becomes an extension of your being. Another person who plays a totally different instrument cannot completely think the same way as someone who has devoted their entire life to playing a certain instrument. Again, they may pull off a lick, riff, or even a complete solo on something, but to totally replace any other instrument with a synthesizer keyboard, guitar, steel midi, or anything else, is but a temporary "gimmick."
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