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Topic: Hank Williams/Jerry byrd recordings |
Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 22 Dec 2002 12:34 pm |
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| I'm record copying my favorite Hank Williams tunes on lap steel and I've been trying to find out(with no luck) which songs feature Jerry byrd's C6th work on them? Hello Andy, saw your great story on JB on Brads Page of Steel! I get to start working on JB's instructional course on Xmas day...! |
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Dave Birkett
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Oxnard, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2002 1:16 pm
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| Two that come to mind are Honky Tonkin' and I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry. |
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David Morgan
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Encinitas,CA,USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2002 1:17 pm
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According to discography I have:
Rootie Tootie, I Can't Get You off My Mind, I'm a Long Gone Daddy, Honkey Tonkin', My Sweet Love Ain't Around, The Blues Come Around, A Mansion On the Hill, I'll Be a Bachelor till I Die, Lost on the River, There'll be No Teardrops Tonight, I Heard Mother Praying for Me, Lovesick Blues, I'm so Lonesome I Could Cry, A House without Love, I just Don't Like this Kind of Livin', My Buckets Got a Hole in It.
You can usually tell the lower pitched C6 based sound as compared to the later E6, higher pitched sound of Don Helms. |
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Terry Huval
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Lafayette, Louisiana
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Posted 22 Dec 2002 1:23 pm
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Basically, all Hank songs recorded from 1950 until Hank's last session in September, 1952 utilized Don Helms on steel. Examples of those songs are Cold, Cold Heart, Hey Good Lookin', Your Cheatin' Heart, Long Gone Lonesome Blues, Lonesome Whistle, Honky Tonk Blues, You Win Again, Moanin' the Blues, Baby We're Really In Love, Why Don't You Love Me, Jambalaya, Kaw Liga and many others.
Songs recorded before 1950 utilized a number of different steel players. Jerry Byrd played on Mansion on the Hill, I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry, My Buckets Got a Hole in It, A House Without Love, I Just Don't Like this Kind of Livin', Lovesick Blues, There'll Be No Teardrops Tonight, Honky Tonkin', My Sweet Love Ain't Around and others.
If you let me know which songs you are interested in, I can let you know which steel player played on them. |
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Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 22 Dec 2002 2:02 pm
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| Man, I love this place! I've learned Honky Tonkin, didn't know "I'm so lonesome I could cry" was Jerry byrd. What a great song. If any of you could list any songs JB did with Hank that haven't already been listed, "if there are any more" that would be great. Thanks alot!!! [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 22 December 2002 at 04:51 PM.] |
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Dave Mayes
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Oakland, Ca.
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Posted 22 Dec 2002 4:23 pm
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| There's a CD on ASV LTD.(www.asv.co.uk)titled "Lovesick Blues" that contains 11 cuts with Jerry. Shouldn't be to hard to find. |
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Frank Leppert
From:
Portugal
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Posted 20 Nov 2021 3:02 pm Mansion on the hill with Don Helms
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| David Morgan wrote: |
According to discography I have:
Rootie Tootie, I Can't Get You off My Mind, I'm a Long Gone Daddy, Honkey Tonkin', My Sweet Love Ain't Around, The Blues Come Around, A Mansion On the Hill, I'll Be a Bachelor till I Die, Lost on the River, There'll be No Teardrops Tonight, I Heard Mother Praying for Me, Lovesick Blues, I'm so Lonesome I Could Cry, A House without Love, I just Don't Like this Kind of Livin', My Buckets Got a Hole in It.
You can usually tell the lower pitched C6 based sound as compared to the later E6, higher pitched sound of Don Helms. |
Is there a recording of "Mansion on the Hill" by Hank Williams with Don Helms? On the original it´s Jerry Byrd playing, the song is in the key of A. In Don Helm´s çourse he plays it in E, acording to his E13th tuning. I would be interested in listing to a version of the song with Don Helms singing Hank Williams. I only found a solo by Don Helms on YouTube. |
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Brett Bonner
From:
California, USA
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Posted 20 Nov 2021 10:48 pm
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| There are transcriptions with Don Helms playing Mansion released recently for the Hank Williams box set Pictures from Life’s Other Side. You can also hear it on Spotify. |
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Andy Gibson
From:
Tennessee USA
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Posted 21 Nov 2021 6:55 am
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| You can tell Jerry from miles away. His tone is distinctive. Easy to tell if it's Jerry or someone trying to sound like him. All you gotta do is listen. Hes the greatest steel player that ever lived! |
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Frank Leppert
From:
Portugal
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Posted 21 Nov 2021 8:25 am
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Thanks Brett for the hint. Definetly it is diferent from the original version. I just wonder if DH plays it with his high pitch E13 tuning or if he plays it with a C6 or another.
Andy, at this moment I am still not able to distiguish between JB and DH accompanion Hank just by hearing. I am a bloody beginner on steel guitar and the Don Helms course is a wonderful lesson to start playing steel. I really enjoy it and making progress each day. I surely will continue listening to Jerry Bird as he is the link between Hawaiian and Country music. I have two steel guitars, one 6 string for the DH course (G#EC#BG#E) and anothe one, a 8 string on C6 with the high G (learning with Cindy Cashdollars DVD course). |
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 21 Nov 2021 9:40 am
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| Frank Leppert wrote: |
Thanks Brett for the hint. Definetly it is diferent from the original version. I just wonder if DH plays it with his high pitch E13 tuning or if he plays it with a C6 or another.
Andy, at this moment I am still not able to distiguish between JB and DH accompanion Hank just by hearing. I am a bloody beginner on steel guitar and the Don Helms course is a wonderful lesson to start playing steel. I really enjoy it and making progress each day. I surely will continue listening to Jerry Bird as he is the link between Hawaiian and Country music. I have two steel guitars, one 6 string for the DH course (G#EC#BG#E) and anothe one, a 8 string on C6 with the high G (learning with Cindy Cashdollars DVD course). |
Don't forget that the top 6 strings of Don's E13 with the high G is exactly the same as C6 with high E but moved up 3 semitones so anything you learn on one can be played on the other just by playing everything 3 frets higher or lower.
Don would certainly have played "Mansion" (and just about everything else) on his E13 neck as that is mostly what he used fo everything. He sometimes used the other necks for fills here and there but the top 6 strings of his E13 is where he spent most of his time. |
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Frank Leppert
From:
Portugal
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Posted 22 Nov 2021 2:55 am
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| Sure, I am aware of this fact. I use E13 (basically a E6 on my 6 string lap steel) for getting the high pitch. The songs on the DH course are basically in the key of D and E like "Mansion on the Hill". But when I was trying to play on the original version of HW (in the key of A) I got problems with the lower notes on the 5th fret. So it was easier to play it with the C6 tuning. |
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K Maul
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Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 22 Nov 2021 5:58 am
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As far as I know Don didn’t use C6 with Hank. He used a form of B11a little bit for fills and though he barely touched his E13 strings 7+8 he had a straight A chord on those bottom strings. If you get a couple Jerry Byrd records it won’t be long before you are able to distinguish Jerry from Don.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Nov 2021 9:28 pm
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| Jeff Mead wrote: |
| Don't forget that the top 6 strings of Don's E13 with the high G is exactly the same as C6 with high E but moved up 3 semitones so anything you learn on one can be played on the other just by playing everything 3 frets higher or lower. |
It's a high G#, 4 semitones higher than Jerry Byrd's C6th. The difference between the tunings is 4 frets.
Some people call Don Helms' tuning "E13th" because the first 6 strings are the same as the Little Roy Wiggins tuning, but a true E13th would have a low D in it. Don's tuning was actually E6th over an A bass.
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 6 May 2024 9:10 am Don Helms
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| K Maul wrote: |
As far as I know Don didn’t use C6 with Hank. He used a form of B11a little bit for fills and though he barely touched his E13 strings 7+8 he had a straight A chord on those bottom strings. If you get a couple Jerry Byrd records it won’t be long before you are able to distinguish Jerry from Don.
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You are 100% Sir "K Maul". A B11 tuning is: (Lo to Hi) B D# F# A C# E, on a 6 string Guitar!
May Jesus rest the Souls of Jerry and Don. Amen!
C.
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 6 May 2024 12:34 pm I remembered what Don said to me.
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Yes,
Don Helms told me (after I asked him) this. "The last recording of Jerry Byrd with Hank Williams; was 'Honky Tonky'". And also he said, "I was in with the recording; because I'm being HW's SG player in the future. And that recording will be: 'Moanin' The Blues'"!.
So, you can see and hear; the large differences; between JB and Don. For Jerry used his vol pedal all the time; like in 'moaning ways", etc. And much melody; with slanted his bar. Both forward and backwards. And half slants:
Where, he could keep 2 Strings straight and slant the 3rd string forward and backward too. Thus he truly, was a "Quintessential Master" with it. Drove me to try that work. Dadgummit! And Buddy Emmons said this, "He's where I got Mine!"
But, I never saw Don; do any of those incredible "slicks"; or slanting his Bar, or slide it,etc! Thus, Hank WANTED JB to stay. But Jerry, was having too many singers wanting him.
Meaning, he couldn't go on the Roads! So, Hank understood! And took on Don Helms. May Jesus, rests the Souls of HW, JB and Don...
End of Story!
C.
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Madeline Dietrich
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 8 May 2024 8:09 am
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| I wonder what tuning Jesus uses? |
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 8 May 2024 8:30 am Hmmm
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| Madeline Dietrich wrote: |
| I wonder what tuning Jesus uses? |
I imagine, a "Heavenly Spiritual" Tuning! Not to be seen or heard; UNTIL Jesus separates his Born Again's; FROM the satan's Non Born Again's! When He creates His "Judgment Day"; and He sits on that "Great White Throne".
Thus, I'm 92 yrs old now, and I can't wait! And ALL brethren, may Jesus bless you and yours, Always. Amen!
C. 
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 8 May 2024 10:33 am Kind Words
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Wow! Mike Neer,
I remember you dear SG friend! And you said, "I hope that your maker is not in any hurry!". And that brought tears of Nostalgia. For the incredible posts; I have posted and read posts!
And I tell all this LOL; "I'm going to die when I'm 137 yrs old 
Because, I love Jesus was thy Heart, thy Soul and thy Mind! Now, thank you Mike really. It makes my day Joyful and Happy today! Take care always friend.
I may be around in here at times again. Praise Jesus' Holy Name.
C.
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Tim Whitlock
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 8 May 2024 7:04 pm Re: Kind Words
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I may be around in here at times again. |
Many happy returns Carl! |
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C Dixon
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Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 8 May 2024 7:47 pm
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Thank you Tim,
It'sounds Great Brethren. Because, I've wanted to, many times. But...
Now, take care, Always,
C.
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