Heres that rainy day again

David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 6 Jul 2023 12:55 pm

Hi All I recorded this many years ago on my Emmons with my mate mike on guitar & keyboards. Its an E9th version. I have also added a link that my Daughter recorded on her SLR digital camera years later. I thought she was taking a photo of me. She then sent me the You Tube link. The Minx. I was playing through my home made fender twin as well Dave

https://soundcloud.com/user-627782904/h ... -day-again
https://youtube.com/shorts/4O1lYt3dKKs?feature=share

Larry Dering · Post by **Larry Dering** » 7 Jul 2023 4:27 am

David, excellent job on this wonderful classic. Your E9 version was also very good. Especially for a phone video. I could tell by watching that you have played this quite a bit. What a terrific melody and a perfect tune for pedal steel.

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 7 Jul 2023 5:32 am

Nice!

I have always felt that this song in particular lays out very well on E9. I found it there long before I found it on C6th!

I do believe it was Hal Rugg who recorded it on the front neck many years ago; he was certainly capable of doing so on both tunings, yet he chose E9.

David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 7 Jul 2023 7:47 am

Hi Larry & Roger Thank you. I made a second neck, pedals crossbars the works and fitted it on the Emmons Loafer years ago convinced Emmons played it on C6th. Couldn't find it. I know why now. So I learnt it on E9th. I will learn it on C6th now I have the Knee levers I needed back then. Dave

David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 7 Jul 2023 7:49 am

Hi Larry Just read your post again They are both E9th the sound Cloud And you tube.

Larry Dering · Post by **Larry Dering** » 7 Jul 2023 8:46 am

My mistake. I really love this song and I will be using your work as a reference. I heard it on steel 1st time in Branson at the OSGA Ozark steel guitar association show many years ago. It was played by Dave Musgrave and wow did it ever floor me. Dave was one of the founding members along with Tom Brumley, Terry Bethel and Roger Blevins. What a group of professionals. Dave was once a representative for Sho-Bud pedal steels. He was also part of Ray Price band along the way.

David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 7 Jul 2023 1:45 pm

Hi Larry I can't remember when I brought the Convention albums and heard it for the first time. But knew I wanted to give it a go. I do remember living at home. I was about 17 and woke up one Saturday morning convinced I had brought an Emmons Loafer. Searched the whole house only to find I had dreamt it. Bugger! I did save up & get one in the end. Had a ZB student at the time. Mister Emmons was a big inspiration along with Lloyd and an MSA catalogue from Tom Bradshaw. The Catalogue made me build my first pedal steel a right lash up but it sounded good. Also remember seeing Weldon & Hal at the Grand ole opry playing a string intro to a song. Went out & brought a Boss tone in Nashville. Also got back stage as the guy I shared a room with was a pen pal of Mrs Tex Ritter who was the back stage PA Lady ( Went with the British country music Association because I was to young to get a Visa on my own) Sat back stage with the Artists waiting to go on stage. Billy Joe Spears, Marty Robbins, and Billy Walker. If I remember right. was a long time ago. Also got propositioned by a Hooker and kissed by Skeeter Davis. What a lucky boy was I. Dave

Larry Dering · Post by **Larry Dering** » 7 Jul 2023 3:13 pm

David, wow great story. Growing up and our adventures are always a great moment in time. I'm hitting 74 this month and it's been a long and pleasant ride.

David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 7 Jul 2023 11:15 pm

Hi Larry your 10 years older than me. I feel young again. Just looked up your profile I was an Auto Technician for 18 years. Now I have a Carpentry business. A lot cleaner. Yes I seem to have squeezed a lot in to 64 years when I look back. Dave

Larry Dering · Post by **Larry Dering** » 8 Jul 2023 5:17 am

You bet. I worked at several of the largest franchise new car dealers around St Louis Missouri. Ford, General Motors and Chrysler along with a few import car companies. I worked as a line mechanic for more than 20 years then moved into a management position and service consultant to finish my career. I retired in 2009 at 59. I have been happy with music, home maintenance and yard work since then. I started on 6 string guitar in my teens and dabbled with lap steel until I bought my 1st pedal steel around 1986. I have traded a couple old worn steels I learned on to a new Mullen D10 8x4 in 93. I couldn't spend enough time on it due to work and other obligations but I got the basics down and played gigs while doubling on guitar. I don't play out anymore but have a get together often to continue my hobby. I think a lot of us followed this path.

Dale Rottacker · Post by **Dale Rottacker** » 8 Jul 2023 5:37 am

David, I really like how you play... I've done this a couple times on E9th, once on my Purple Passion S10 MSA, just before selling it, and once on my Red n Black D10 MSA trying to get weirder chords in it. I started trying to work it out on C6th and was making progress till I saw a squirrel and got off the beaten path. Until a couple years ago I did ALL my C6th type stuff on E9th cause for some reason C6th was easier on E9th than on C6th, but now have made the effort to try and play everything I'd play on E9th on C6th so I've barely touched that neck

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David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 9 Jul 2023 12:33 am

Hi Dale thank you so much. Watching you play I thought how relaxed you looked. And I can tell you like searching out those elusive chords. I have just watched Christmas time is here. Makes me think of Charlie Brown. Loved it. The next song I am posting is split timing I hope to get to your level someday. Dave

Dale Rottacker · Post by **Dale Rottacker** » 9 Jul 2023 6:54 am

David Wisson wrote:Hi Dale thank you so much. Watching you play I thought how relaxed you looked. And I can tell you like searching out those elusive chords. I have just watched Christmas time is here. Makes me think of Charlie Brown. Loved it. The next song I am posting is split timing I hope to get to your level someday. Dave

You are MUCH too kind David ... your skills and knowledge FAR surpass mine. I envy YOU. Truthfully I know very little about music except to play it some, and what little I do know about it I can't articulate. I admire those guys who can talk theory in depth, I just don't "think" music that way.

I made that Christmas Time rhythm track with a program called iReal, so had to work out what on earth those chords were, and then going from 3/4 > 4/4 was all an experiment for me. I know NOTHING about music notation or what any of the symbols are. So ALL of that was trial and error probably doing a lot wrong, but getting it to sound right.

David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 10 Jul 2023 2:32 pm

Hi Dale thank you. But I wish I did know music theory. I play by ear, can't read music and couldn't tell you the names of the chords I play. I'm like Homer Simpson my brain can only handle so much info at one time and dumps the rest. I have spent so many hours in the past building chord charts in Excel thinking that would help. But have never used them. Tried to learn the circle of fifths, great tool but not for me. I am a lazy player, always looking for the easy route. I can hear the songs in my head. Most songs are predictable as to where they are going. But those big fat jazz chords are a different kettle of fish. I have to search for them. The thing that drove me mad when I started looking in to C6th was going up and down the neck looking for the next chord, only to find it on the same fret different grip. Also riffs that descend as you go up the neck? If I am writing the chords to a song in BIAB. I use the chord builder tool so I can hear the chord I want. That can drive you nuts as well sometimes. Getting to sound more like torture than a relaxing hobby. You Definitely got it right. I have that song on a Charlie brown CD somewhere. Music is Bliss. Dave

Dale Rottacker · Post by **Dale Rottacker** » 11 Jul 2023 5:21 am

David Wisson wrote:Hi Dale thank you. But I wish I did know music theory. I play by ear, can't read music and couldn't tell you the names of the chords I play. I'm like Homer Simpson my brain can only handle so much info at one time and dumps the rest. I have spent so many hours in the past building chord charts in Excel thinking that would help. But have never used them. Tried to learn the circle of fifths, great tool but not for me. I am a lazy player, always looking for the easy route. I can hear the songs in my head. Most songs are predictable as to where they are going. But those big fat jazz chords are a different kettle of fish. I have to search for them. The thing that drove me mad when I started looking in to C6th was going up and down the neck looking for the next chord, only to find it on the same fret different grip. Also riffs that descend as you go up the neck? If I am writing the chords to a song in BIAB. I use the chord builder tool so I can hear the chord I want. That can drive you nuts as well sometimes. Getting to sound more like torture than a relaxing hobby. You Definitely got it right. I have that song on a Charlie brown CD somewhere. Music is Bliss. Dave

David, I think we may be related.

I know there's stuff going on in my head cause I can feel the heat sometimes, but keeping track of it is a HUGE chore. I can read music, sort of, but with my upbringing and a Dad who didn't value anything but playing by ear, hence I wanted to be like Dad. The first thing I learned to play was on accordion, by ear at the age of 6. My mind just doesn't think chords or numbers cause I just never learned to think of music in those terms though I wish I had, cause I think I'd be able to play more while thinking less. I can sort it all out if I sit back and analyze it, but certainly not in the moment in real time.

David Wisson · Post by **David Wisson** » 11 Jul 2023 12:18 pm

Hi Dale My Dad played Harmonica so I learnt it. I was about 10 years old. Then my uncle gave me a four string banjo that I used to pick all of the time. I think that's why my Dad brought a guitar home one night. to stop me playing the Banjo ha Ha. taught myself guitar and went from that to pedal steel I had found my true love. But don't tell my wife! Dave

Dale Rottacker · Post by **Dale Rottacker** » 12 Jul 2023 5:04 am

You Dad was a wise man. Mine got me a Lyle 6 string electric and my brother got a Univox "Beatle Bass". Dean didn't really have ANY natural musical ability, but for me it came more easily for me as I could get some semblance of music out of most anything though in a limited way. So I knew enough about guitar that I was teaching Dean how to play Bass very mechanically, but as time went on something clicked and he became a great bass player, playing Stanley Clarke and Spiro Gyra stuff. His oldest boy is on another level... totally untrained but with a great ear and can jabber off all that b5 #11 stuff and understands it

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Like you when I found steel I FOUND IT!!! I could play the "Fancy" chords on piano, ONLY in the key of C and by ear... A while back the piano player wasn't able to make song service so my wife asked if I'd PLEASE play. I said, okay but the Key of C whatever the song actually is in. It was interesting how bad some of those old Hymns sound when nobody can hit the notes LOL ... I play Bass WAY more in Church than Steel, but at home I never touch the Bass unless I'm going to be playing it in Church, so the Steel gets Most of my Carressing and my wife always enjoys hearing me play. And I'll say NOTHING to your wife about your TRUE Love but I bet she'd understand.