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Rob DiStefano
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New Jersey, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 6:18 am |
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In y'all opinions, what -if any- are your personal advantages and disadvantages for a particular lap steel's scale length?
What scale length suits the music you wish to create best, and why?
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Jack Hanson
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San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 7:11 am
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Personally, I prefer a 22.5" scale, since I mainly play 6th tunings and do lotsa bar slants. I find that a longer scale makes slants more difficult, especially in the lower registers. With the shorter scales, one can get away with heavier gauged strings, which to my ears sound better than skinny ones.
Resos and Weisses are an entirely different can'o'worms, however. On mine, I use straight major triad tunings (D, G, & A), and not nearly as many bar slants as on the electric, shorter-scaled 6th-tuned lap steels. |
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Mark Mansueto
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Michigan, USA
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Bill Sinclair
From:
Waynesboro, PA, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 2:55 pm
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| I agree with Mark's assessment. I'll add that, for me, harmonics come easier with a longer scale, for the same reason that intonation is easier. You don't have to be as "dead on" as the shorter scales. That said, all my gigging guitars at this time are 22.5". My left hand tends to cramp up on the lower register slants with the long scale. |
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Peter Jacobs
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Northern Virginia
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 3:45 pm
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Hey, Rob - My steels have 22.5 or 23” scales, so that’s just what I’m used to. It makes behind the bar pulls easy (my accuracy with them is another story…). But I’m comfortable on reso, with a 25” scale, so I don’t really think about it. String spacing is a bigger deal for me - I prefer a little narrower for speed and accuracy
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Mark Mansueto
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Michigan, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 4:00 pm
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| Peter Jacobs wrote: |
| Hey, Rob - My steels have 22.5 or 23” scales, so that’s just what I’m used to. It makes behind the bar pulls easy (my accuracy with them is another story…). But I’m comfortable on reso, with a 25” scale, so I don’t really think about it. String spacing is a bigger deal for me - I prefer a little narrower for speed and accuracy |
Peter, that's interesting because I'm the opposite in that I like my spacing a bit wider. I have trouble with the end of my fingerpick hitting the far string on the upstroke when the spacing is too close.
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Peter Jacobs
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Northern Virginia
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 5:37 pm
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| I am see that Mark. I find that narrower spacing helps me get the bar from string to string faster and more smoothly. But it might be a style thing — I lift the bar a lot, more like a reso, so I jump around quite a bit |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 5:57 pm
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I like a variety of scale lengths and string specing. There are things I can do on each guitar that I can’t replicate on the others, and so that is a good reason to have a few of them around.  . But my real preference is for long scale.
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Bill McCloskey
From:
Nanuet, NY
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Posted 20 Mar 2023 6:45 pm
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All the eharp models were 23" which is a good length. My superslides are all 22.5"
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Mark Mansueto
From:
Michigan, USA
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Jeff Mead
From:
London, England
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Posted 21 Mar 2023 7:41 am
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The pros of shorter scale:
- slants are easier
- guitar is physically smaller
The pros of longer scale:
- easier to intonate notes
- increased tension has snappier tone
I'm sure there are more. these are just what I notice. |
I agree apart from the tension part.
Using heavier strings on a short scale instrument will enable you to match the tension of the long scale one.
It's physics. |
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Carey Hofer
From:
South Dakota, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2023 8:05 am
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I play on a Melbert 8 string, 23 1/4" scale, (B11th tuning- B C#, D#, F#, A, C#, E, G#, low to high) with a a G# on the first string. That string can sound a little thin if I'm not careful. I use an .011 it but I am going to try using as big a string as I can on that string til it starts breaking. Maybe I can get by with an .012. Seems like a bigger string especially on the higher strings, just sounds a little bigger and less tinny.
Am I wrong or isn't a general rule of thumb, the longer your scale is, the bigger strings you can use? For instance, bass guitars with say, 34" scales have huge strings. |
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Rob DiStefano
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2023 8:23 am
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| Carey Hofer wrote: |
I play on a Melbert 8 string, 23 1/4" scale, (B11th tuning- B C#, D#, F#, A, C#, E, G#, low to high) with a a G# on the first string. That string can sound a little thin if I'm not careful. I use an .011 it but I am going to try using as big a string as I can on that string til it starts breaking. Maybe I can get by with an .012. Seems like a bigger string especially on the higher strings, just sounds a little bigger and less tinny.
Am I wrong or isn't a general rule of thumb, the longer your scale is, the bigger strings you can use? For instance, bass guitars with say, 34" scales have huge strings. |
The longer the scale, the smaller the string gauge needs to be. Short scale lengths usually require much heavier strings since they lack the length to get up to playing tension.
I have a few 23-1/8" scale lap steels, a 6 and an 8, both for C6. The 6 is perfect with Scotty's C6 strings; .036-.015 ... whereas the 8 required a bit of juggling with Scotty's C6 strings in the middle and a .046 for the bass and .011 for the treble. That .011 is on the small side and I need to try a .012 like with yours.
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Carey Hofer
From:
South Dakota, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2023 8:40 am
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| Got it. I was probably thinking, the lower in pitch a string needs to be, is as a general rule, the larger in diameter it usually is. |
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Tom Wolverton
From:
Carpinteria, CA
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Posted 22 Mar 2023 10:27 am
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My favorite is a 24.5” scale. (medium length Stringmaster)
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Allan Revich
From:
Victoria, BC
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Posted 22 Mar 2023 9:24 pm
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Longer scale lengths facilitate lower tunings, using comfortable string gauges. 26” to 28” would be typical for a baritone.
Shorter scale lengths are also great for keeping instrument size more compact. I actually have a ukulele lap steel. Four strings. 19 inch scale length. Built to be tuned in open D, D F# A D.
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6 String | G – D G D G B D
7 String | G9 – D G B D F A D
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