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Topic: B11 Tempering |
Paul Seager
From:
Augsburg, Germany
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Posted 15 Mar 2023 12:39 am |
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On a twin 8 string I use regular A6 and a variant of B11. I use the Petersen sweetened 'LA6' for the A6 neck and I like that. But whether I am tuning my B11 neck as standard intervals or try to temper by ear, it never sounds quite right. One element of the problem is that I extend B11 with G# and E on strings 7 & 8.
I tend to think of the overall tuning in terms of ii-V-I, meaning I have the ii-7 on strings 1-4, the V stack from string 6 and Maj 7 rooted on the 8th string.
Put together, it is a very chord rich stack but individual chords never sound quite in tune.
I would like to try tuning the B11 stack as tempered and then add the G# and E by ear but I am not sure how to temper the dom 7 & 9. I dont really use the 11th.
Of course this also raises the question: Am I making this too complicated?
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Rob Fenton
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 15 Mar 2023 5:17 am
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Neat tuning.
Perhaps you can find a local teacher who can help with how to intonate it?
Good luck!
Last edited by Rob Fenton on 15 Mar 2023 7:09 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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David M Brown
From:
California, USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2023 6:50 am
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Let's offer another opinion.
There is a reason 12 tone equal temperament tuning exists.
Complex chords such as B11 are a good example! |
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Paul Seager
From:
Augsburg, Germany
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Posted 16 Mar 2023 12:29 am
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Thanks to you both.
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| Perhaps you can find a local teacher who can help with how to intonate it? |
 Yeah, in south Germany where most people think I am playing a Zither incorrectly! This Forum has been the friendliest, open minded and most dependable teacher one can ask for!
Rob, you originally posted a longer reply which was actually very helpful and I started to use that - can you put that back because the information was golden!
I began to analyze the songs where I use that neck. I've noted that I tend to focus on the middle group (V7) more than the Maj 7 chord. I do use the latter but only when I need that chord. The problem I had, and Rob you hit the nail on the head with your previous reply, is that the two E's were never aligned.
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| There is a reason 12 tone equal temperament tuning exists. |
I don't disagree David but the tempered A6 sounds right to me and my hope was that I could get this complex stack similarly aligned. But I have to admit, I never tried using equal temperament! 
So now I have a couple of things to try, equal temperament and focusing on the B7.
Thanks again.
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