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Darren Mortillaro


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Post  Posted 16 Nov 2022 8:46 am    
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Any advice on recording pedal steel direct?

Looking for a Nashville 1960's sound. I presume all the classic country records used Fender Twins.

If I go with the Sarno Revelation or Sarno V8 or Teleonics Pre-1000, how exactly would I get speaker emulation? Would that be best achieved with software or the Universal Audio OX or some sort of cab emulation box?

Would the Axe FX III be a better option for DI recording pedal steel? I'm looking for something professional quality without having to mic an amp. Something ideally with a headphone jack for practice.

Lastly, maybe the Universal Audio "woodrow" or "dream '65" would be a good option? My worry is that those might not be professional quality as they're unbalanced and don't have the pickup load features of the Sarno revelation or blackbox.
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Bob Hoffnar


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Post  Posted 20 Nov 2022 8:58 am    
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I use a Sarno V8 for direct recording. No speaker emulation or plug ins. Sounds great. I regularly do commercial release recordings for people with it.
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Dale Rottacker


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Post  Posted 20 Nov 2022 6:10 pm    
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Bob Hoffnar wrote:
I use a Sarno V8 for direct recording. No speaker emulation or plug ins. Sounds great. I regularly do commercial release recordings for people with it.


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Darren Mortillaro


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Post  Posted 21 Nov 2022 10:10 am    
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Bob Hoffnar wrote:
I use a Sarno V8 for direct recording. No speaker emulation or plug ins. Sounds great. I regularly do commercial release recordings for people with it.


Cool. Thanks Bob. I know speakers filter out a lot of frequencies that are important for electric guitar. I presume no speaker or speaker emulation helps with clarity. But is it a modern hi-fi sound? I never liked the SS Peavey sound, and am looking for something with more warmth.

Maybe PSG is like electric bass, where it's best to DI without speaker emulation? Also, do you record clean and apply your reverbs and delays in the DAW? What about compression? Are you using hardware compression, no compression, or software compression?

Lastly, do you know the difference between the V8 and the Revelation? Is the V8 more of a 1950's sound?
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Jim Fogle


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Post  Posted 21 Nov 2022 4:49 pm     Sarno Music Solutions Steel Guitar Black Box?
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Not trying to hijack the thread but quick question for Dale Rottacker

Dale, are you referring to the Sarno Music Solutions Steel Guitar Box Box? https://www.sarnomusicsolutions.com/products/steel-guitar-black-box.html
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Bob Hoffnar


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Post  Posted 21 Nov 2022 7:50 pm    
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But is it a modern hi-fi sound? I never liked the SS Peavey sound, and am looking for something with more warmth.

The V8 is an octal tube path. Great response and not sterile.

Also, do you record clean and apply your reverbs and delays in the DAW? What about compression? Are you using hardware compression, no compression, or software compression?

I generally record my delays and all before the V8 but not always. I will sometimes blend in the reverb and delay and maybe some EQ in post. I have access to some amazing hardware so I will use a Neve 1073LB pre amp into a 1073EQ as my channel strip. I have been into Pendulum Audio compressors for a touch of focus and a Pultec EQM-1S3 to beef it up a little. The fancy stuff is great but not really necessary. The V8 into whatever pre you got will sound awesome.

Lastly, do you know the difference between the V8 and the Revelation?

Think of the Revelation like a perfect Fender Showman head and the V8 as a more full rounded sound. The Octal tube thing is very very cool. Both will give you that tube tactile response.
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Dave Grafe


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Post  Posted 25 Nov 2022 5:51 am    
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I use Roland's Street Cube, taking the stereo headphone out to a pair of input channels. The "Mic" preamp is excellent for clean PSG, as are the onboard effects, and there are several amp modeling options available for grittier work. My recording engineer loves it for sound quality and convenience, and we no longer haul the Vibroverb to the studio unless we are recording 6-string parts.
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Dale Rottacker


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Post  Posted 25 Nov 2022 6:14 am     Re: Sarno Music Solutions Steel Guitar Black Box?
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Jim Fogle wrote:
Not trying to hijack the thread but quick question for Dale Rottacker

Dale, are you referring to the Sarno Music Solutions Steel Guitar Box Box? https://www.sarnomusicsolutions.com/products/steel-guitar-black-box.html


Yes Sir
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