| Author |
Topic: Cables |
Randy Cook
From:
Mechanicsville, Virginia, USA
|
Posted 23 Sep 2022 1:08 pm |
|
| I am looking at getting new cables. I have used George L cables in the past but they seem to give me trouble these days. Have any of you tried the D’Addario cables sold here in the Forum? If so, what do you think? |
|
|
|
Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
|
Posted 23 Sep 2022 1:25 pm
|
|
| I've been using several (bought from the Forum), heavily gigged in a multi-cable rig for a few years now and I like them a lot. |
|
|
|
Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
|
Posted 24 Sep 2022 2:18 am
|
|
I used to use (and promote) George L's. In 30 years of use, other than right angle plugs, I only had problems with one end.
When I went to Quilter amps I changed to standard cables, including a couple D'Adddaio cables. No problems.
_________________
GFI Ultra Keyless S-10 with pad (Black of course) TB202 amp, Hilton VP, Steelers Choice sidekick seat, SIT Strings
Cakewalk by Bandlab and Studio One V4.6 pro DAWs, MOTU Ultralite MK5 recording interface unit |
|
|
|
Larry Hobson
From:
Valley Grande (Selma) Al USA
|
Posted 24 Sep 2022 7:55 am Cables
|
|
| I used Bill Lawrence cables way way way back. Then over to George L's way way back over 30 years . Still do . I spend my money on strings, not cables.( Don't have to with George L's they are repairable ) Now and then I have to redo an end plug,but very seldom. Bottom line, I ain't bought no cables in years. |
|
|
|
Michael Hartz
From:
Decorah, Iowa, USA
|
Posted 24 Sep 2022 10:05 am
|
|
| Mogami W2524 cable with Neutrik gold plugs on them are increadible. Extremely durable with low capacitance. If you have any soldering skills you can order bulk cable and make your own cables like I did. |
|
|
|
George Redmon
From:
Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
|
Posted 26 Sep 2022 12:55 pm
|
|
What Michael Hartz said, is an excellent choice......
For several years I have been using the Canare GS-6 cable with excellent results. I build my own cables as a hobby, that way I can build to various lengths and terminate them with various Neutrik and Switchcraft connections also you can Color code them for various uses, as they are available in several colors.
https://www.canare.com/guitarinstrumentcable
As a fun side note when I attended Jeff Newman's classes several many years ago this very topic of which guitar cables to use came up. Mr Newman said "the best cables to use are the ones you make yourself." Mr Newman at the time used Belden 8412 cable. Back then Belden used actual rubber as their outer & inner jackets. I still have 2-10ft. cables that Mr Newman showed me how he built, and gave to me. A few years ago I ran across those cables again. The rubber outer jacket actually dry rotted from age and being rolled up. For the fun of it, not expecting much I plugged them in. No buzz, no hum, still worked! Not bad for cables built almost 40 years ago. |
|
|
|
Evan Pachal
From:
Saskatchewan, Canada
|
Posted 27 Sep 2022 10:50 am
|
|
I recently bought some cables from Rattlesnake Cables out of Montana...
Really high quality and great service! About an hour after ordering the cables online, I received an email order confirmation with a video attached. The video was a personal thank you from the owner who addressed me by name!
Never have I ever received such a thank you... I'd check these out |
|
|
|
Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
|
|
|
|
Jim Cooley
From:
The 'Ville, Texas, USA
|
Posted 27 Sep 2022 12:37 pm
|
|
| The only issue I've had with George'Ls cables is with the right angle plugs. I had one or two of them work loose after a short time, but that is understandable because of the 90 degree bend at the plug. I check the screws on all cables for tightness occasionally, just to make sure I have a good connection. They can loosen with time. I also cut the ends off of the cables every year or so, just to make sure the connection is as new. When I newly install or clip and renew the ends, I insert the cable as far as it will go and tighten the screw just enough to make an impression in the casing. Then I remove the cable and use a small razor knife to cut away the casing at the impression, being careful not to remove any more casing than necessary, or cut into the cable itself. That leaves just enough bare cable against which to seat the screw. It might only make me feel better, but as I stated above, I have had minimal problems with these cables. As far as tone is concerned, that is entirely subjective. What sounds good to you is good. |
|
|
|
John Jeffries
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
|
Posted 17 Nov 2022 12:33 pm George L cables
|
|
Can someone give me a bit of info re the difference between the 155 guage vs 225 guage George L cables with regards to performance, sound quality, etc. - can I mix & match? any recommendations?☺
_________________
LAST WEAK I CUDN'T EVEN SPELL "STEAL GIT-TAR PICKUR" & NOW I ARE WUN! |
|
|
|
Steve Spitz
From:
New Orleans, LA, USA
|
Posted 17 Nov 2022 2:41 pm Cables
|
|
John,
My understanding was , the cables are identical, with the outer insulation being larger on one being the only difference. |
|
|
|
Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
|
Posted 17 Nov 2022 7:18 pm
|
|
I have used George L for over 20 years. When I went to an Evans AH 200 amp, My GFI with a E-66 George L pickup, I had problems with Treble being picky sharp. When I went to a Quilter Tone Block 202, The Treble was really sharp, Have to run Treble on 0 or 1. I can't try other players settings or get the sound I want out of the amp.
The Fed-ex man left a D'Addario Cable kit on my front porch this afternoon. I need to contact D'addario, They have changed some package printing, I want to make sure it is the kit I need and want. Then comes Cable making time.
See if different cables allows me to adjust amp., And get the Mo-Jo I am looking for and wanting to hear. |
|
|
|
Dennis Detweiler
From:
Solon, Iowa, US
|
Posted 17 Nov 2022 7:45 pm
|
|
Cables and effects can dull your tone. My tone never changes no matter how many effects or different cables. I've used an old model 60 Matchbox for years. It cleans everything up and just use a slight tweak with the tone knob to cut the presence after setting the amp.
_________________
1976 Birdseye U-12 MSA with Telonics 427 pickup, 1975 Birdseye U-12 MSA with Telonics X-12 pickup, Boss 59 Fender pedal for preamp, NDR-5 Atlantic Delay & Reverb, two Quilter 201 amps, 2- 12" Eminence EPS-12C speakers, ShoBud Pedal, 1949 Epiphone D-8. Revelation preamp into a Crown XLS 1002 power amp. |
|
|
|
Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
|
Posted 18 Nov 2022 3:53 am Re: George L cables
|
|
| John Jeffries wrote: |
| .... can I mix & match? ..... |
Not sure what you are asking but (maybe obvious, maybe not) you cannot mix the cables & plugs -- a 155 cable will not work with a 225 plug.
I remain really happy with the several D'Addarios in my multi-cable setup that I got here in the SGF store. |
|
|
|
Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
|
Posted 18 Nov 2022 5:14 am
|
|
| I recently helped a friend on a gig who had a “bad” George L cord. He said the 90 degree was keeping it from working. We took the plug off, cut about an inch off of the cable and reseated it, screwed the cap back on and there was still a problem. On a whim, I checked the straight plug. The set screw had been tightened to the point of cutting into the center conductor. Again, cut an inch off, reseat the cable and tighten to only contact the outer conductor. It worked just like a new cable. That would be a hard fix with soldered plugs. |
|
|
|
John Jeffries
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
|
Posted 18 Nov 2022 5:56 am George L Cables
|
|
Thanks for the replies, folks! I also found some info on a previous post regarding these cables...bottom line - I'm going to stick with my current 155 guage cables - no real need for me to change to the heavier guage, as I'm not playing out much anymore, and they are quite expensive. There appears to be little or no difference in tone or sound between the two guages, mostly just in the thickness of the coating. Cheers!☺
_________________
LAST WEAK I CUDN'T EVEN SPELL "STEAL GIT-TAR PICKUR" & NOW I ARE WUN! |
|
|
|
Evan Pachal
From:
Saskatchewan, Canada
|
Posted 18 Nov 2022 8:55 am
|
|
| I would check out Rattlesnake Cables out of Montana... |
|
|
|
Marco Schouten
From:
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
|
Posted 18 Nov 2022 1:00 pm
|
|
I use Evidence Audio Lyric HG guitar cables, expensive, stiff, but great audio quality. Quieter than the GeorgeL cables I used before.
_________________
----------------------------------
JCH SD-10 with BL XR-16 pickup, Sho-Bud Volume Pedal, Evidence Audio Lyric HG cables, Quilter Steelaire combo |
|
|
|
Mike Bacciarini
From:
Arizona
|
Posted 18 Nov 2022 2:21 pm
|
|
Another vote for the Canare GS-6 cable. Made my own custom length with Switchcraft connectors and they’ve been 100% solid. 0 noise and never a failure.
_________________
MCI Arlington S-10 3+5, George L E-66, BJS & Emmons bars, Fender Princeton 65W, Fender Satellite SFX, custom FX rack, 1983 Dobro 60D, SX-8 lap steel, Martin D16GT, Ibanez AS73, 1978 Rickenbacker 4000 custom. |
|
|
|
Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
|
Posted 18 Nov 2022 8:43 pm
|
|
I have used George L .155 Cables since about 1999. Played through a Nashville 400, Tube-Fex with Rack Box Amp. and a small Evans amp.
Could not get the sound I wanted out of an Evans AH 200 or Tone Block 202.
Yesterday Fed-X delivered a D'Addario Cable kit.
This morning I made a 3 ft. cable and a 10 ft. cable with the kit.
Replaced the cables from guitar to VP, VP to Amp.
Put Travis Toy's settings in the Tone Block 202, Tweaked the setting for the Guitar, Pickup and Room, What a sound and sustain.
Back To The Wood Shed, To relearn this guitar all over again. |
|
|
|
Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
|
Posted 19 Nov 2022 8:54 am
|
|
I run a short George L skinny cable from the guitar to a Sarno FreeLoader and then another George L skinny cable down to a Goodrich passive volume pedal.
After the volume pedal I have several short cables of various brands for f/x pedals.
For running back to the amp I have different lengths of George L skinny, George L fat, and Live Wire Advantage cables.
To my ears, any of the cables after the Sarno FreeLoader work fine.
Brad built in some magic in that knob.
Read what Brad wrote:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372576
_________________
Lee, from South Texas - Down On The Rio Grande
There are only two options as I see it.
Either I'm right, or there is a sinister conspiracy to conceal the fact that I'm right.
Williams Keyless S-10, BMI S-10, Evans FET-500LV, Fender Steel King, 2 Roland Cube 80XL's,
Sarno FreeLoader, Goodrich Passive Volume Pedals, Vintage ACE Pack-A-Seat |
|
|
|
Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
|
Posted 19 Nov 2022 7:46 pm
|
|
The diameter of a cable means a lot in it's ability to carry electric.
.155 diameter = .0188 Sq. In. of area.
.225 Diameter = .0397 Sq. In. of area.
Volume wise a .225 Cable has 53% more area for insulation and conductor wire, Making the .225 a much more efficient electrical conductor. More signal for amp to use. |
|
|
|
Jeff Highland
From:
New South Wales, Australia
|
Posted 19 Nov 2022 9:06 pm
|
|
| Bobby D. Jones wrote: |
The diameter of a cable means a lot in it's ability to carry electric.
.155 diameter = .0188 Sq. In. of area.
.225 Diameter = .0397 Sq. In. of area.
Volume wise a .225 Cable has 53% more area for insulation and conductor wire, Making the .225 a much more efficient electrical conductor. More signal for amp to use. |
It really does not make much difference, and the total area of the cable is irrelevant.
For high current cables like speaker cables, the conductor guage matters, but for guitar cables with low voltage and current it is really not an issue. Durability, shielding, lack of handling noise and flexibility are more important.
_________________
Duesenberg Fairytale
1949 Supro Supreme
1950 National New Yorker
2008 Highland Baritone Weissenborn
2020 Highland New Yorker.
2020 Highland Mohan Veena
2021 Highland Weissencone |
|
|
|
Graham Bland
From:
Tennessee, USA
|
Posted 23 Dec 2022 3:21 pm GL cable
|
|
| What Bobby said! |
|
|
|
Tommy Detamore
From:
Floresville, Texas
|
Posted 23 Dec 2022 10:18 pm
|
|
Lots of good recommendations here! Here’s another…
I’ve been using GAC-Pro cables by Gotham Audio for the past several years. Really great for me.
_________________
Tommy Detamore
Quilter Labs, Goodrich Sound, Source Audio, Neunaber Audio, and Stringjoy Authorized Dealer
www.cherryridgestudio.com
www.steelguitartracksonline.com |
|
|
|
