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Topic: I had a nice breakthrough in my practice. |
Greg Brouelette
From:
California, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2022 8:30 am |
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I started hitting my F slants accurately.
I'm playing an 8 string C6 lap steel in A C E G A C E G. I started getting this sequence accurately and consistently:
x x x x
x x x x
x x x x
x x x x
12 14 13 12
12 13 13 12
12 12 12 12
x x x x
It's nice when all of a sudden it all starts to work.
That 3rd chord where I have to use the nose of the bar to get 2 notes on the same fret while slanting was tricky. But it feels natural now. |
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David Matzenik
From:
Cairns, on the Coral Sea
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Posted 22 Sep 2022 12:28 pm
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From my perspective, slants are all about hearing the harmony. The frets are just a rough locator. I play fiddle so I am used to doing it with double stops. I don't always hit it perfectly, but my ear tells me to pull it into harmony. That way, I can always pretend I meant to do it. 
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 22 Sep 2022 1:42 pm
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If you tune the 8th string up to Bb for C13, it will open up a bunch of new harmonic possibilities that you don’t have with the A, and that includes slants. Just having another 6th interval (strings 8 and 5) gives you three adjacent string pairs a 6th apart. You can do so much with that! It really opens things up.
As far as your F slant, it would also be possible to get more inversions out of it, and you can slant from V7 to I (C7 to F) like this. Also, that last chord os the same as your F slant. This one is easier to do.
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G——————————————————-
E——————————————————
C——————————————-————-
A——————-————————-—12–
G——————-——-——14———————
E———12———13——13———13———
C———12———12——12———————
Bb——12———11———————14———-
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Samuel Phillippe
From:
Douglas Michigan, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2022 2:15 pm
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Makes you feel REAL good when you accomplish something like this.
You have to be happy....keep it up.
Sam |
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Greg Brouelette
From:
California, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2022 2:42 pm
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
If you tune the 8th string up to Bb for C13, it will open up a bunch of new harmonic possibilities that you don’t have with the A, and that includes slants. Just having another 6th interval (strings 8 and 5) gives you three adjacent string pairs a 6th apart. You can do so much with that! It really opens things up.
As far as your F slant, it would also be possible to get more inversions out of it, and you can slant from V7 to I (C7 to F) like this. Also, that last chord os the same as your F slant. This one is easier to do.
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G——————————————————-
E——————————————————
C——————————————-————-
A——————-————————-—12–
G——————-——-——14———————
E———12———13——13———13———
C———12———12——12———————
Bb——12———11———————14———-
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Oh! I am going to try that. Thanks Mike |
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Nic Neufeld
From:
Kansas City, Missouri
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Posted 23 Sep 2022 10:52 am
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Mike are you saying the reverse two fret slant on strings 8/6/4 is easier to you than the forward slant (that is the same exact notes) that precedes it? I guess all of our hands are different. Forward slants are almost always easier for me but then I practice reverse slants less often, so that's probably why...
I'm a big fan of the low Bb too, it's super useful as long as you keep it out of the way when you don't want a b7 sound in there.
Speaking of sevenths, once you get really comfortable with split bars, here's two useful split bar shapes:
G X X
E 5 X
C 5 5
A X 5
G 4 X
E X 4
C X X
A X X
First would be a G9th, second a Bb7. Easy shapes to get those dominant chord sounds...there's infinitely (seemingly at least) more, but those are a couple very commonly used ones.
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 23 Sep 2022 11:10 am
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Yes, reverse slants are easier for me—wasn’t always that way.
Your G9 voicing above is also achieved with:
G x
E x
C 9
A x
G 10
E x
C 11
Bb x
If you keep your 8th string tuned to A, the same voicing works on strings 4, 6 and 8 beginning at the 12th fret, so then you have 3 ways of playing it.
G x
E x
C x
A 12
G x
E 13
C x
A 14
It is recommended to learn these voicings in as many ways as possible so you don’t always have to use the same moves, because the sounds can get repetitive. I always wanted to avoid playing the obvious, so that is why I started looking for other ways of doing things. Still looking…..
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Stefan Robertson
From:
Hertfordshire, UK
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Posted 23 Sep 2022 1:01 pm
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13 th tuning definitely the way to go.
Like Mike I prefer reverse slants but to be honest I play both equally as much it all depends what voicing I’m looking for.
The amount of juicy voicing straight bar and slanted a you guys are missing out with that middle D - 9th or top D I don’t get but hey to each their own.
Wherever your journey may take you. Just play.
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Nic Neufeld
From:
Kansas City, Missouri
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Posted 23 Sep 2022 1:58 pm
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I'm team 13th too, but C13 is a "tame" 13th...plain vanilla C6 all through the middle with the b7 at the edges (easily skipped in a strum) and no 9th. If I want to get more exotic, B11th for me! Such a gorgeous tuning. But I tend to stay more "straight bar" in that tuning, at least compared to C13.
That's neat that you guys actually find reverse slants easier...I thought it would be more like, the more practiced players master both types and find neither to be very challenging, but interesting that it comes easier than forward slants! Guess I need to practice those more 
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Gene Tani
From:
Pac NW
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Posted 25 Sep 2022 3:23 pm
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Congrats on that, it is a notable accomplishment.
I've been working thru instruction books by Dewitt Scott and Andy Volk for years, lots of challenging stuff in there. Especially Andy's.. and Scotty's heh.
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