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Topic: Bell cranks for round cross shafts, Franklin guitars |
Barry Coker
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 4:36 pm |
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I know this is an older thread and don't know if anyone here is still looking for bell cranks but I have the capacity to make these if anyone is interested.
These slip over the 5/16 round shaft and have 2 set screws one centered on the shaft to lock it the other is lower to help set and hold the round shaft in place.
Thanks Barry
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 4:59 pm
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What do you guys use for pull rods?
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Barry Coker
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Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 5:44 pm
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The slots in the ones I posted will use up to 1/8" rod without binding the material can vary.
Barry
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Paddy Long
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 6:27 pm
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Barry I sent you a PM thanks Paddy
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Jeremy Moyers
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Lubbock, TX
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Posted 22 Jun 2022 6:37 pm
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| Just sent you a PM Barry. Thanks! |
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Barry Coker
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Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2022 3:17 pm Round shaft belcranks
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Thought I'd post pics of the first batch of 5/16 round shaft bell cranks going to Mr. Paddy Long for his Franklin
Barry
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 25 Jun 2022 4:46 pm
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Fantastic Barry, thanks so much :-}
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Posted 25 Jun 2022 5:49 pm
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| Fantastic Barry, thanks so much :-} |
What will you make the pull rods from?
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Barry Coker
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Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2022 6:02 pm
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The pull rods could be Stainless Steel, Aluminum, Brass or just regular Steel with a coating to prevent rust.
Barry
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Jeremy Moyers
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Lubbock, TX
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Posted 26 Jun 2022 7:33 am
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Those look incredible Barry! I send you a PM a few days ago, did you see it? I’m interested in buying several of these myself. If you could get back with me on that I would appreciate it!
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Barry Coker
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Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2022 10:00 am
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Sorry Jeremy I answered your PM I will Answer Again.
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Lynn Stafford
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Ridgefield, WA USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2022 2:13 pm Franklin Bell Cranks
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Guys,
The roll pins in the Franklin pull rods are 1/16" diameter, so I feel like the five slots in those new bell cranks should not be 1/8" wide. The original ones are closer to 1/16" wide. I have a few original ones and some aftermarket ones that I had a local machinist friend make for me. He installed 10-32 set screws instead of 8-32 like the originals and of course the spacing on the slots are more consistently spaced.
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Barry Coker
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Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2022 3:34 pm
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Thanks for the info Lynn I'm making these from Picturs and some measurements Paddy Long gave me the set screws are 10-32 the one that will face the changer is placed below center to help keep the shaft in possision and the other center on the shaft to lock the finger to the shaft.
Barry
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 27 Jun 2022 1:27 pm
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Bob Snelgrove ... I used new rods that I got from Michael Yahl when I first got the guitar .... he will know what diameter rod is required for the Franklins !!
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Bob Snelgrove
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san jose, ca
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Posted 27 Jun 2022 2:26 pm
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| Paddy Long wrote: |
| Bob Snelgrove ... I used new rods that I got from Michael Yahl when I first got the guitar .... he will know what diameter rod is required for the Franklins !! |
Did they have the pin installed?
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 4 Jul 2022 3:27 pm
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Hi Bob -- no I installed the pins myself ... not an easy job but I have a great little drill press and a unit to hold the rod firmly so it doesnt go walk about when your trying to drill the end of the rod
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 10 Jul 2022 2:41 pm
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Here's a pic of Barry's slip on bellcranks installed on my Franklin ...
An original Franklin bell crank on the left, and Barry's slip on bellcrank on the right !!! Does the job perfectly, and doesn't require removal of the crossrod to install it.
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Barry Coker
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Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2022 3:51 pm
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Nice looking install there Paddy I hope they serve you well my Friend.
Barry
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Matthew Walton
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Fort Worth, Texas
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Posted 11 Jul 2022 11:58 am Re: Rod puller. Bell cranks
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Here’s a pic of one that slips on round crossrod 3/8â€
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Since this thread has been revived I guess I'll ask here: Does anyone actively make this bellcrank? Weirdly enough, the other day I had the idea for a slip-over bellcrank with pretty much this exact design for the non-screw side. But it would certainly be a lot easier to buy one if someone is making them.
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Barry Coker
From:
Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2022 12:24 pm
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I think I could make one like that but it would be very labor intensive. I think if the sides (area where the bolt holds on the bottom cap) were longer the bolt could cross under the shaft and a set screw to lock it in place.
Barry
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Barry Coker
From:
Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2022 1:04 pm
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The Carter bell cranks are similar to what I'm thinking
Barry
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 11 Jul 2022 2:55 pm
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Thanks Barry they do the job perfectly for what I needed ... that particular one in the photo is for a lower return compensator.
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Barry Coker
From:
Bagley Alabama, USA
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Posted 11 Jul 2022 3:42 pm
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It looks good Paddy are the pull rods 1/8" aluminum?
Barry
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 14 Jul 2022 12:49 pm
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yeah I think so Barry !
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