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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 19 Nov 2021 7:26 am |
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Doug Taylor
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Posted 19 Nov 2021 11:10 am
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| Good to see you still at it Bill, please share when you are ready. |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 19 Nov 2021 1:08 pm
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Thanks Doug. I got sidelined for the last 8 months or so. It is good to be back spreading the word about the eharp tuning, especially for jazz playing. The possibilities are endless
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Travis Brown
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Posted 19 Nov 2021 6:17 pm
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| I'm in a similar boat - I haven't been able to play for a few months now. I do appreciate the chart which certainly shows how crazy flexible the eharp tuning is. |
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Gene Tani
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Posted 20 Nov 2021 9:41 am
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This is great info, thanks. Jens Larsen's youtube channel IS amazing for jazz students. Here's another i've been watching
https://www.youtube.com/c/soundguitarlessons
And you chart reminds me of the wide grips on pedal steel front neck for the "alternative" triads besides 3-4-5 4-5-8 etc. Tricky grips, actuallly.
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 20 Nov 2021 11:28 am
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The 3 and 4 finger grips are tricky when you start on the eharp, but soon become second nature. I don't even think of the grips anymore, muscle memory takes over. and many of the grips are the same grips just moved up or down a string. This exercise has a few new grips for me to learn, but after a day or two of practicing, they are automatic now. Thanks for the link. I don't know that one.
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 22 Nov 2021 1:43 am
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Bill would love to catchup with you on some Jazz ideas as I'm getting into my deep dive.
a few thoughts:
Arpeggios will be a nightmare
quite a few chord inversions are missing in straight bar which you may need to reharmonise
Not sure how comfortable your slants will be
The grips don't seem to layout that coherently.
HOWEVER I love the fact you are on your own deep dive and encourage you to keep pushing onward would love to catchup just now starting to get warmed up myself. 
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Travis Brown
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Florida, USA
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Posted 22 Nov 2021 11:14 pm
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| Stefan Robertson wrote: |
Bill would love to catchup with you on some Jazz ideas as I'm getting into my deep dive.
a few thoughts:
Arpeggios will be a nightmare
quite a few chord inversions are missing in straight bar which you may need to reharmonise
Not sure how comfortable your slants will be
The grips don't seem to layout that coherently.
HOWEVER I love the fact you are on your own deep dive and encourage you to keep pushing onward would love to catchup just now starting to get warmed up myself. |
I'm nowhere near as skilled as Bill is on the Eharp. but I have some inputs here.
Arpeggios will be a nightmare
Certainly, rolling arpeggios are a challenge in the Alkire tuning when compared to something like a G Maj dobro tuning.
quite a few chord inversions are missing in straight bar which you may need to reharmonise
Isn't this true of every tuning? What this tuning offers is the ability to comp - using a straight bar - on jazz chords that would likely be restricted to two note voicings in other tunings. I'm far from an expert, but the only tuning I have seen that comes close is the Leavitt tuning. Bill Hatcher has shown how crazy good the Leavitt tuning can be, but I personally find it easier to understand the Alkire tuning.
Not sure how comfortable your slants will be
To me, slants aren't that different from other tunings. You just have to find them and internalize them. That said, I seem to recall the tuning was designed to avoid the need for slants.
The grips don't seem to layout that coherently.
The more basic grips - which are still incredibly powerful - are very simple and logical. In the OP, Bill is posting very advanced chords that require a whole 'nother level of study - how often do we reach for an AmMaj13? I posted here about the simplicity and flexibility of the basic grips - https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=365423&highlight= |
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Stefan Robertson
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Posted 1 Mar 2022 2:20 am
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Isn't this true of every tuning? What this tuning offers is the ability to comp - using a straight bar - on jazz chords that would likely be restricted to two note voicings in other tunings. I'm far from an expert, but the only tuning I have seen that comes close is the Leavitt tuning. Bill Hatcher has shown how crazy good the Leavitt tuning can be, but I personally find it easier to understand the Alkire tuning.
....https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=365423&highlight=[/quote]
Just saw this Travis sorry I get the advanced voicings used for reharmonisation.
Allow me to respond. E13#9/D# has the logical layout of E13 - like guitar fret positions are the same - like pedal steel - grips are similar and easy - advanced chords are there as it has Leavitt embedded in it.
The above example can all be achieved in straight bar except for the Root position mM7 which is an easy forward slat directly from the root position M7 so easily found in a logical position.
As for that voicing for a mM13 is simply a Dom 7.
I am open to any queries you may have about E13. The more the merrier as I'm always keen to grow in knowledge and understanding.
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Bill McCloskey
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