Do You Roll The Bar, Slide The Bar Or A Little Of Both? |
I roll the bar |
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I slide the bar |
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I roll sometimes and slide sometimes |
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Something else describes what I do - please explain |
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Topic: Do You Roll The Bar, Slide The Bar Or A Little Of Both? |
Chris Templeton
From: The Green Mountain State
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Posted 21 Oct 2021 6:14 am
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Do you roll the bar, slide the bar or a little of both, when you play?
(I tried to make this a poll, but don't know how. (I tried the "Make a poll" but wasn't successful) _________________ Excel 3/4 Pedal With An 8 String Hawaiian Neck, Tapper (10 string with a raised fretboard to fret with fingers), Single neck Fessenden 3/5
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 21 Oct 2021 6:54 am
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I do both. I normally roll on the slower stuff, and slide (the "Drake shivver") on the faster stuff. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 21 Oct 2021 8:24 am
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Both _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, NV400, NV112 . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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John McClung
From: Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2021 10:39 am
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Both. Mostly "wiggle" the bar front end. When I think of it, on my extended E9 I roll on the wide grips getting down into the lowest strings. _________________ E9 INSTRUCTION
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 21 Oct 2021 4:18 pm
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I'm a "wiggler". I guess it's because my first instrument is trombone where there's no equivalent of a roll. Also mostly moving the tip varies the top note the most - in a trombone section the lead player does most of the vibrato. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
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Larry Dering
From: Missouri, USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2021 6:23 pm
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Both. Depending on the effect I'm trying to get. |
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Bob Carlucci
From: Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2021 9:32 am
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Both, but its maybe 60% roll, 40% wiggle...
I tend to roll more on slower and mid speed stuff.. _________________ I'm over the hill and hittin'rocks on the way down!
no gear list for me.. you don't have the time...... |
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Paul Sutherland
From: Placerville, California
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Posted 22 Oct 2021 11:25 am
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I really don't think about this as I play. I focus on intonation and trying to limit the amount of vibrato. In my opinion most people, including me, use too much vibrato.
If I really think about my playing, I probably slide the bar more than roll it. _________________ It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. |
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Larry Bressington
From: Nebraska
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Posted 22 Oct 2021 4:41 pm
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I'm a slider but sometimes i'll let the good times roll... _________________ A.K.A Chappy. |
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Jeff Neal
From: Johnson City Tennessee, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2021 10:25 pm
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I started as a Dobro player. Most everything was fast so I developed a fast bar "quiver". As I got in to pedal steel I watched people like Paul Franklin and Lloyd Green and Tommy White and soon came to realize I needed to slow down a bit on my vibrato. For lack of better terms you want to pull tone out of your bar on a steel. When I video myself playing I still find that sometimes I have too fast of a vibrato that makes me sound to me like a lap steel or Reso player. So Listen to the song and Slow Down and think about moving from your elbow rather than your fingers or wrist. |
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Dave Mudgett
From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 23 Oct 2021 11:35 pm
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Since the OP Chris said he wanted a poll with this, I added one.
Coming from guitar, and especially slide guitar, of course I started out strictly sliding the bar, and I still do that sometimes. It's a specific sound. Actually, sometimes I really like the sound of the slide or bar sliding back and forth across the strings.
But when I joined the forum, I noted that many players talked about rolling the bar. So I tried it and sometimes that seems to fit better to me, so I've worked on doing that more. I guess I also tend to do that more on slow stuff where sliding might sound too exaggerated.
I also occasionally successively push down and then let up on the bar, analogous to what I sometimes do with my fingers for a different type of vibrato on guitar. I think that's more of a violin technique. |
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Dale Rottacker
From: Walla Walla Washington, USA
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J Fletcher
From: London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 26 Oct 2021 4:17 am
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Vibrato is something I have been thinking about lately. Very seldom , if ever do I hear of specific exercises that address the technique. It usually seems to be an afterthought . There are lots of right hand exercises, and bar hand exercises that deal with moving the bar accurately, but can't recall hearing about how people work on their vibrato . Well maybe once . |
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Brett Day
From: Pickens, SC
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Posted 26 Oct 2021 1:33 pm
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I do both, and it also depends on the song-I like vibrato in slow songs, but there are times I'll use vibrato on fast songs. |
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Rocky Evangelisti
From: Perth, Western Australia
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Posted 26 Oct 2021 3:12 pm
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I do both as well. |
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Pete McAvity
From: St. Louis, Missouri USA
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Posted 28 Oct 2021 6:07 am
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Bofa _________________ Excel Superb D10, Kline U12, Sarno Black Box, Goodrich L120, Boss DD5, Baby Bloomer, 1965 Super Reverb chopped to a head, feeding a mystery PA cab w/ a K130.
They say "thats how it goes". I say "that ain't the way it stays!" |
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Charley Paul
From: California, USA
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Posted 17 Nov 2021 9:11 pm
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Paul Franklin talks about rolling the bar in his Method series. He calls sliding it “the wave†and says it is a bad habit to get into.
Personally, I like the sound of the roll better, but I have to force myself to roll, not wave. It’s not a natural motion, yet. Still workin on it! |
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Pete McAvity
From: St. Louis, Missouri USA
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Posted 18 Nov 2021 7:37 am Franklin Method vibrato
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Thanks Charlie. I’m gonna have to revisit that part in the Franklin Method (which is one of the great things about it- you can review whenever). I think Paul refers to “the wave†as changing the angle of the wrist so the bar changes angle & doesn’t remain parallel to the fret markers, causing intonation funkiness. Thanks for the heads up- I gotta go back! _________________ Excel Superb D10, Kline U12, Sarno Black Box, Goodrich L120, Boss DD5, Baby Bloomer, 1965 Super Reverb chopped to a head, feeding a mystery PA cab w/ a K130.
They say "thats how it goes". I say "that ain't the way it stays!" |
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Georg Sørtun
From: Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 18 Nov 2021 11:01 am
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Hardly ever apply bar vibrato, so was about to ignore this thread altogether.
However, I sometimes apply 1) vertical vibrato – pushing bar rhythmically down and up again, for a very slight vibrato and reenergizing of string vibration, and 2) slur the pedals/levers, or angle the bar ever so slightly without further movement, to cause strings to go "out of tune" and clash – cause volume vibration.
1) is useful for fast vibrato and to increase sustain of tone.
2) works in all positions, also in open, and works especially well on my extended tunings where the low notes act as "self-energized" (not picked) subharmonic drone-tones. |
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Tom Vollmer
From: Hamburg, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 18 Nov 2021 5:20 pm Roll or Slide?
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I have tried the roll after sliding for years and as far as my playing I can see no difference in the sound. If you really want to know try playing a song and have another steeler in the next room
and play the same song with each method and see if he or she can hear any difference. That would be a way of telling
a difference if any instead of asking opinions. |
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J D Sauser
From: Wellington, Florida
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Posted 20 Nov 2021 6:19 pm
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"rolling" seemed to me to be the logical thing to do years ago, until I observed that Byrd, Emmons and many of the Tone-"Monsters" tended to rather slide the bar for vibrato.
I must say it only got me to experiment and I find that I can drive, push, or milk the tone better by "sliding" back and forth for vibrato. I still think that logic would suggest friction from sliding instead of rolling, but then, that MAY rather excite the string.
... J-D. _________________ __________________________________________________________
Was it JFK who said: Ask Not What TAB Can Do For You - Rather Ask Yourself "What Would B.B. King Do?"
A Little Mental Health Warning:
Tablature KILLS SKILLS.
The uses of Tablature is addictive and has been linked to reduced musical fertility.
Those who produce Tablature did never use it.
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Garry Vanderlinde
From: CA
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Posted 20 Nov 2021 8:21 pm Something else describes what I do - pencil eraser
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I heard the late, great Jerry Byrd explain vibrato this way on an instruction video I think and it helped me.
Jerry Byrd,
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"vibrato should be natural, (imagine) this bar was a pencil and you were erasing a spot off of that string". |
...easy to visually and manually identify with. |
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Dan Robinson
From: Colorado, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2021 9:50 pm
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I roll the bar on slow passages and chords. I slide the bar when playing single nore runs, especially on runs that make minimal use of pedals/knees. Not sure why... just seemns to work for me. |
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Bill Duncan
From: Lenoir, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2021 4:00 am
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I do both and try to match vibrato to the tempo somewhat.vibrato and amp tremolo, although different can be overdone and like overdone food, become less appealing. |
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