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Topic: Smallest / lightest S-12 |
Johnny Cox
From: Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 14 Jul 2021 2:28 pm
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So now that I'm in my big truck 85% of the time I'm thinking of getting a small lightweight S-12 to practice in the truck. I'm thinking probably a keyless. What brands are you S-12 guys like? _________________ Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From: Corry, PA, USA
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Johnie King
From: Tennessee, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2021 11:14 am
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Not smallest or lightest.
But Williams make a very good keyless with 4 over 3 changer. |
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Johnie King
From: Tennessee, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2021 11:32 am
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Last edited by Johnie King on 16 Jul 2021 6:13 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Greg Cutshaw
From: Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2021 6:06 pm
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I have the Williams S-12 also:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Williams%2012%20String%20Keyless/Williams%2012%20String%20Keyless.html
It's not quite as light or as compact as the Excel. It weighs 26.9 pounds and the case weighs 31.1 pounds. So the case is a LOT heavier and the guitar is a pound or so heavier. But the capability of the Excel is superior if that capability is needed or wanted by you. The guitar end plates are 8.25" wide, the distance from the floor to the lowest point on the back apron is 25.5" and the overall guitar length is 29". The weight of the Williams would go up a bit if you added all the pedals and knees that the Excel has.
Side by side in the case:
Side by side out of the case:
Excel changer diagram with 7 raise, 4 lower capability, one raise and one lower taken up by the lock ever if used:
Picture of Excel changer:
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Steve Mueller
From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2021 8:20 pm
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Greg's got the heavy duty road case for his Williams. The regular case is about 13 lbs making the total guitar plus case 40 lbs. And a beautiful laquer steel! _________________ 2016 Williams D12 8 x 8, 2015 Williams D12 8 x 8, 2023 Williams S12 4 x 5, Milkman Amps, 1974 Gibson Byrdland |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 16 Jul 2021 12:21 am
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I have a pair of instruments almost identical to Greg's. As Steve says, the guitars weigh much the same - it's just the cases that differ.
These do seem to be the two lightest keyless around. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Bob Watson
From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
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Posted 16 Jul 2021 3:32 pm
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Johnny, I'm curious, if you get one of these, would you put the D13 tuning on it or go for a Universal B6/E9 tuning? |
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Johnny Cox
From: Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 16 Jul 2021 4:21 pm
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Bob Watson wrote: |
Johnny, I'm curious, if you get one of these, would you put the D13 tuning on it or go for a Universal B6/E9 tuning? |
Yes, D13th all the way. I have it on my SD12 MSA now.. It's the only single tuning that makes sense to me. I've had E9/B6 and Bb6. _________________ Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967. |
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Bob Watson
From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
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Posted 16 Jul 2021 4:37 pm
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I had a feeling that the D13 would be the way you'd go. I hope you find one that you like. |
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J D Sauser
From: Wellington, Florida
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Posted 21 Jul 2021 7:01 am
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You can put ANY tuning on both of these, but the EXCEL really is a mechanical piece of Swiss Watchmaking. Additionally, it has a changer which allows for more pulls than Vance Terry ever had with stacked pedal
I just re-setup my Excel Superb and setup a C6th with 5 pedals and 7 lever (3 verticals of which one is over the right knee.
A 25inch scale length allows for any base tuning. We often forget that on a PSG, the "tuning key" (C, B, Bb, A, E...) is not defined only by the open-non-pedaled tuning.
A PSG generates pretty much every chord in the book without a bar. Additionally, C6th is A7, FM7, Dm9 just "open".
... J-D. _________________ __________________________________________________________
Was it JFK who said: Ask Not What TAB Can Do For You - Rather Ask Yourself "What Would B.B. King Do?"
A Little Mental Health Warning:
Tablature KILLS SKILLS.
The uses of Tablature is addictive and has been linked to reduced musical fertility.
Those who produce Tablature did never use it.
I say it humorously, but I mean it. |
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Adam Tracksler
From: Maine, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2021 6:21 am
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The Moyo guitars are extremely compact and light for an S12. I have one in extE9 that is a super guitar. |
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Paul Redmond
From: Illinois, USA
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Posted 11 Aug 2021 12:27 pm
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Williams now uses an ultra-violet cured polyester instead of lacquer. The stuff is about bulletproof.
PRR |
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Peter Roush
From: Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Aug 2021 8:50 pm Is Excel an aluminum neck? Can this be set up all Emmons?
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John McClung
From: Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2021 4:41 pm
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Following... _________________ E9 INSTRUCTION
▪️ If you want to have an ongoing discussion, please email me, don't use the Forum messaging which I detest! steelguitarlessons@earthlink.net |
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Johnie King
From: Tennessee, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2021 4:59 pm
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Lone star by Jim Flynn he might have some ideas on a small light Keyless.
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Michael Johnstone
From: Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2021 10:37 pm
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Another vote for keyless 25.5" scale Excel U12 w/8+9 fits in what looks like a tenor sax case. The mechanics and engineering are second to none.
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K Maul
From: Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 23 Aug 2021 4:52 am
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EXCEL is a superior design and VERY light. My S-11 (4+5) is only 37lbs in the case! _________________ Kevin Maul: Airline, Beard, Clinesmith, Decophonic, Evans, Excel, Fender, Fluger, Gibson, Hilton, Ibanez, Justice, K+K, Live Strings, MOYO, National, Oahu, Peterson, Quilter, Rickenbacher, Sho~Bud, Supro, TC, Ultimate, VHT, Williams, X-otic, Yamaha, ZKing. |
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Johnny Cox
From: Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 23 Aug 2021 10:34 am
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Thanks for all the info everyone. I have a new guitar being built. I'll tell you what brand and put up photos at a later date. _________________ Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967. |
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Johnie King
From: Tennessee, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2021 8:15 am
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A longer scale for d 13 for more sustain an more comfortable keyless steel too play yes or no? |
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Jeremy Threlfall
From: now in Western Australia
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