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Albert Svenddal


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 5:04 am    
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Does anyone know how many push pulls had these tuners? What year did they quit putting them on? Curious minds (mine) wants to know. Thanks.

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Tony Prior


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 6:27 am    
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well of course I don't actually know the answer but my 81 has them ! I acquired an 83 a year or two later and it had Sperzels.

I did however replace the stock Klusons with the smaller Butterfly top Klusons. Direct replacement .
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Dave Mudgett


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 6:43 am    
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I don't know the exact dates. But I've seen these tuners on quite a number of guitars in the mid-late 70s until the early 80s. My '77 push-pull has them. I've seen them on push pulls from around '76 or '77 until about '81 or '82. My '80 Franklin has them, and I've seen Franklins from '81 or '82 that had already moved to something else, I think Sperzels. They were used on Gibson Les Paul Standards (and, in gold, Customs) in the same sort of time period, circa '76 or '77 until the early-mid 80s, maybe a little later than I've seen on steels. I used to have an '83 Les Paul Custom with them in gold. The '84 Zum I just got from you has Sperzels. I don't know whether Bruce ever used these Klusons.

Some people seem not to like these, and replace them with the kidney-button Kluson Deluxes, which are a drop-in replacement. There was a thread about that here - https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=361322 - it can make it harder to figure out dates since many have been replaced.


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Jim Cooley


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 6:48 am    
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A friend of mine has a 1968 and 1974 push/pull. Both have Klusons.
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Dave Mudgett


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 6:53 am    
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Jim Cooley wrote:
A friend of mine has a 1968 and 1974 push/pull. Both have Klusons.

If original, they're probably Kluson Deluxes with the bean-shaped buttons. Albert's picture shows Kluson Deluxes with metal keystone buttons.
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Dave Meis


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 8:00 am    
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My '74 has them (keystone)...and the E9 B string and the C6 high G are a pretty tight fit! My '79 DST has them as well..
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Albert Svenddal


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 11:02 am    
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Thanks for all the great info. 👍
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Jim Cooley


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Post  Posted 14 Sep 2020 11:42 am    
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Dave Mudgett wrote:
Jim Cooley wrote:
A friend of mine has a 1968 and 1974 push/pull. Both have Klusons.

If original, they're probably Kluson Deluxes with the bean-shaped buttons. Albert's picture shows Kluson Deluxes with metal keystone buttons.


They are original, at least on the '68. I don't remember the button shapes. I might be able to check on the '74 this week.

My 1971 P/P has Grovers. I'm not the original owner. It is a Bryan Adams guitar, so maybe they are original.
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Dave Campbell


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Post  Posted 15 Sep 2020 7:19 am    
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my '76 has keystones, my 72 has beans.
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Pat Moore


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Post  Posted 15 Sep 2020 8:14 am    
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FWIW,
My '78 D10 PP had them. Replaced them with Grover 210-C's. Much nicer all the way around! Tuning & no pointed corners! My '72 fatback pp had the Kluson bean tuners. Great for a tele, but too much tension for a pp. Did the Grovers on it too! Again, much better!
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Kevin Mincke


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Post  Posted 15 Sep 2020 6:38 pm    
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My 72' and 74' both have bean style.
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Tony Glassman


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Post  Posted 15 Sep 2020 7:04 pm    
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Interestingly, my ‘74 woodie p/p has these waffle-back Klusons.
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Ron Funk

 

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Ballwin, Missouri
Post  Posted 15 Sep 2020 7:21 pm    
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My '79 Rosewood D10 PP came with the Kluson "Tulip Tuners" and they're still on the guitar.
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George Kimery

 

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Limestone, TN, USA
Post  Posted 15 Sep 2020 7:46 pm     Push pull Kluson tuners
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My Emmons 1968 D-10 bought at the factory had Klusons.
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Jack Stanton

 

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Post  Posted 15 Sep 2020 9:02 pm    
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Pat Moore,
Did you have to modify the headstock at all to make the Grovers work?
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Pat Moore


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Post  Posted 17 Sep 2020 10:44 am     Keys
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Hi Jack,
The Grover 210C's will not work on an original PP keyhead. We swapped the
heads to LeGrande ones and then put the 210C's on it.
Hope that helps.
Thx, Pat
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Willis Vanderberg

 

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Post  Posted 18 Sep 2020 2:11 am    
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My 76 has bean buttons and they are original.
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Tony Prior


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Charlotte NC..
Post  Posted 19 Sep 2020 6:42 am     Re: Keys
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Pat Moore wrote:
Hi Jack,
The Grover 210C's will not work on an original PP keyhead. We swapped the
heads to LeGrande ones and then put the 210C's on it.
Hope that helps.
Thx, Pat


Pat, thx for mentioning this and making it clear.

Grovers, Klusons, Sperzels etc, are NOT interchangeable on the same headstock. Different shaft sizes and Tuner PIN hole locations. They don't play well together !

Might make for a bad day ! Sad
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