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Topic: ShoBud Model 6166 - C-Pedal pitch |
Detlef Webert
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Europe - DE
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Posted 7 Jul 2020 12:48 pm |
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Dear Forumates,
after long years of playing, changing and retuning the strings on my Super Pro (Model 6166) I will run soon
into problems on E9th to bring pedal C in tune. The nylon tuner nut to raise the 4th string is completely screwed in
onto the rod (just in pitch!) but there is no more space left to a further increase of pitch.
I can imagine that the neutral position of E and F knee levers are involved as well.
Is there a generic way to lets say 'reset' the tuning in such way to bring the nylon tuner nuts back to a central - neutral - position that there is room enough for pitch in both directions.
Perhaps there is already a guide here somewhere in the forum but I've overlooked it.
To get this fixed your recommendations are very appreciated.
Kind Regards, |
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Craig A Davidson
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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2020 2:37 pm
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Detlef, Try backing everything off on all that involves that string including any nuts that tune other strings on that change. In other words if it involves raising or lowering both E's back off the nuts until no matter what you push it no longer has an affect on the string. Then tune open and start over. After each tuning set check again to see if things are still working right. When you tune your C pedal also back off the nut on the fifth string. There is a link at the top of the pedal steel thread that will also help you.
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=326460
Last edited by Craig A Davidson on 7 Jul 2020 6:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Kevin Fix
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2020 6:26 pm
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| On a Super Pro you may want to move the rod on the bell crank to a different hole. Ricky Davis is the Bud man on here. Maybe he will chime in. |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2020 6:31 pm
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| If it was in tune and he never did anything but tune it up, then it is over tuned. I tried to explain a simple way first before changing a bunch of bell cranks and rod placements that worked before and have never been touched. That's how I read it. |
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Detlef Webert
From:
Europe - DE
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Posted 8 Jul 2020 7:30 am
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Hello Craig,
you're right, it's over tuned.
You recommend to loosen all the nuts for C-pedal, 4th & 8th string E and F knee lever nuts and then
retune strings on 'open'. In which order then do I have to do the re-tuning? First string 4 & 8 lower or raise, or raise and lower and C-pedal last ?
That should bring the nylon nuts somehow back to a 'center' position, right ? |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 8 Jul 2020 7:59 am
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| I know there is probably an order but don’t remember. Tune your C pedal first. Do the fourth and then the fifth. Check your tuning after each adjustment to make sure you are on track. Then do your raises and then lowers. Do your thinnest Strings first as they require more travel. If they tune up ok then the thicker strings on that change most likely will too. Good luck. |
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Detlef Webert
From:
Europe - DE
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Posted 8 Jul 2020 9:19 am
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Craig,
do I have to loosen the nylon nuts on A-pedal (5th string) as well ? |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 8 Jul 2020 9:40 am
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| Should not have to. |
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 8 Jul 2020 8:20 pm
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Since the problem came all a once, My first thought is.
If you look at the bottom of the changer area. Does the other rods have a spacer between the nylon tuning nut and the changer finger? It may be a plastic spacer split and fell out of place on the rod. That would explain why all at once the string will not tune to note and have more usable adjustment.
Good Luck finding the problem and solution to the problem. Happy Steelin. |
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Detlef Webert
From:
Europe - DE
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Posted 9 Jul 2020 3:26 am
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I've loosened all the nylon nuts affected. The strings were all in tune. Then I've started with the C-pedal, string 4, then 5
followed by F-lever string 4, E-lever string 4, 8th string F and E.
All strings are back in tune now.
Thank you guys!
3 nylon nuts are really sluggish and not easy to turn.
Any recommendation on that ? |
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Jim Kennedy
From:
Brentwood California, USA
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Posted 9 Jul 2020 7:21 am
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I went through this on my mid 80's PRO 1. I tried everything imaginable to get my 3rd string to return to pitch. Nothing worked. I finally tore down the changer. The rivets on two of the fingers were so worn they could not return to position. If your guitar has the original fingers with rivets, this may be the problem if nothing else works.
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ShoBud Pro 1, 75 Tele, 85 Yamaha SA 2000, Fender Cybertwin, |
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Jim Kennedy
From:
Brentwood California, USA
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Posted 9 Jul 2020 7:23 am
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Sorry. Didn't read the last post all the way through.
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ShoBud Pro 1, 75 Tele, 85 Yamaha SA 2000, Fender Cybertwin, |
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Detlef Webert
From:
Europe - DE
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Posted 10 Jul 2020 4:50 am
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Gents,
how do I get sluggish Nylon tuners easy to turn again -
special lubricant, oil or something else ? |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2020 6:19 am
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| I 've always just lived with mine. I figure if they are that tight then they won't slip. |
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