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Topic: Name a change you could live without (if you had to) |
Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 5 Apr 2020 9:01 pm |
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Hypothetically speaking, if you had to take ONE change (rod pull) off which one would go?
My choice is the 2nd string drop from D to C# |
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 5 Apr 2020 10:51 pm
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Lowering the sixth string to F#. Many love this change, and I use it when it's on my steel, but right now it's not.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2020 10:58 pm Re: Name a change you could live without (if you had to)
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| Larry Bressington wrote: |
Hypothetically speaking, if you had to take ONE change (rod pull) off which one would go?
My choice is the 2nd string drop from D to C# |
I don't even have that one now, so obviously I can live without it. But seriously, my choice is the Ab lever on C6th. I only ever use it in minor keys, and I can usually find a workaround.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 12:41 am
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That's interesting! I use that a lot for 7b5 (or should I say 9b5) chords.
I could live without the splat pedal. The only bit I use is the 7th string raise to C# and I have that on a lever.
G# to F# (E9 string 6) I use a lot. I like to have three inversions of the minor triads as well as the majors, so I wouldn't give that up.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 3:57 am
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B to Bb. Have tried it several times, but have removed it permanently.
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 4:03 am
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I seldom use that when I'm thinking E9, but it's necessary on the B6 side as it's the same as lowering string 3 on C6.
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 4:54 am
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B-Bb Vertical
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Dave Mudgett
From:
Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 5:55 am
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I have one 4+6 SD10 with 7th string F#=>G which I don't really need. But I have 6th string G#=>F# on all my guitars (you'd have to pry it outta my cold, dead fingers) which I can split with the B-pedal on all but my push-pull. So I really wouldn't be missing anything important. In fact, I'll probably re-purpose that F#=>G lever at some point.
I don't have crazily decked-out pedal steel setups - mostly 8+5 - so my general thought is that I wouldn't give up any changes on them, with the above-noted exception. I also agree with Ian on needing B=>Bb on my universal for the mandatory 1=>maj7 change on the B6 side of things. And that approach also works to some extent on a standard 10-string E9. You don't get it all, but I get something worth using. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 7:10 am
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Regarding C6th Ab pedal:
| Ian Rae wrote: |
| That's interesting! I use that a lot for 7b5 (or should I say 9b5) chords. |
You play jazzier stuff than I do, I guess. I know that it's useful, but I just don't use it very often.
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| I could live without the splat pedal. The only bit I use is the 7th string raise to C# and I have that on a lever. |
What's the splat pedal?
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 7:54 am
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| B to A# on vertical lever. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 8:06 am
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I could play, endlessly, with just the "E" raise/lower. I actually played for over 8 years with just the "E" lower lever, and I believe Buddy Charleton played several years with just that one lever on E9th.
Having more levers, by itself, does NOT make you a better player!  |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 8:14 am
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b0b, by splat I meant boo-wah. I've heard it called that and it's easier to type. I have the full P8 on both my unis but I never seem to use it.
As for flatted 5ths, I play in a band that likes to (for example) turn punk numbers into bossa novas; and that old crowd-pleaser Superstition has 7b5's in it, although most guitarists have to be educated in this.
[and I agree totally with Donny]
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 8:56 am
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Since most of my seat time on a pedal guitar of late is behind a 3 x 1, I've found I can get by quite nicely without these three knee levers:
1) 6th string full-step drop; 1st string half-step raise
2) 2nd string full-step drop (with half-stop); 9th string half-step drop
3) Half-step raise on 4 & 8 |
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 9:12 am
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| I don’t have some of the changes being discussed, so, getting on fine without them. I’m in the first few months of playing a guitar with the Franklin pedal and a raise lever on 1&2. Having fun with those. But, I was pretty comfortable with my Stage One that had neither, so I guess you could say life without them is entirely possible, complicated enough, and thoroughly enjoyable. |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 9:22 am
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| Franklin change or B-Bb |
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Dennis Montgomery
From:
Western Washington
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 4:10 pm
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Assuming you are referring to the modern E9th tuning, I could get by with just the ABC pedals and the E to F raise.
People don't have more changes thinking it makes them a better player, they have them because it gives them more choices, voicings and easier execution for the things the want to do. |
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Steve Hinson
From:
Hendersonville Tn USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 5:03 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
I could play, endlessly, with just the "E" raise/lower. I actually played for over 8 years with just the "E" lower lever, and I believe Buddy Charleton played several years with just that one lever on E9th.
Having more levers, by itself, does NOT make you a better player! |
That's all I had when I moved to Nashville,and I worked all the time the first four years I was here with 3+1...
I could make a living with that now(when we go back to work)...
SH |
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Paul Wade
From:
mundelein,ill
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 5:45 pm Pedal changes without
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
I could play, endlessly, with just the "E" raise/lower. I actually played for over 8 years with just the "E" lower lever, and I believe Buddy Charleton played several years with just that one lever on E9th.
Having more levers, by itself, does NOT make you a better player! |
Amen brother |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 6:01 pm
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| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
| People don't have more changes thinking it makes them a better player, they have them because it gives them more choices, voicings and easier execution for the things they want to do. |
 Agreed |
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 6:15 pm
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All great replies, Agreed with all...However’ it’s not a suggestion of why we have levers just a bit of steel fun trivia, some of you didn’t name your ‘change that would have to go’ which one is it? 
Last edited by Larry Bressington on 6 Apr 2020 6:23 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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Dave Meis
From:
Olympic Peninsula, Washington, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 6:20 pm
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| Franklin .. nice to have, but the one I could live easiest without.. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Apr 2020 7:18 pm
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| Ken Metcalf wrote: |
| B-Bb Vertical |
Yo también.
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 7 Apr 2020 8:49 am
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Lkv f# & d# raises
I like this change, and use it, however I could easily do just as well without the lkv at all.
Now that I’ve gotten used to the Franklin pedal 4, I would give up the vertical mentioned before giving up the Franklin pedal.
Hey Lee!!! Stay safe down in the valley!!😀
Bill |
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