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Max Wellington


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Post  Posted 10 Feb 2020 5:52 pm    
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So I’m a newbie to PSG and trying to devour as much as I can related to musicality, theory and technique. But I’m having a time finding Western Swing genre specific instructionals that really dig in. Think Robben Ford but on Pedal steel (if that means anything to anyone). Suggestions?
Thanks!
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Jim Cohen


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Post  Posted 10 Feb 2020 6:19 pm    
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You might start with Cindy Cashdollar's nonpedal course...
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Max Wellington


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Post  Posted 10 Feb 2020 6:33 pm    
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Thanks Jim - it’s actually top of my list - she’s great! Just thought maybe something similar existed pedal based.
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Johnny Cox


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Post  Posted 10 Feb 2020 6:41 pm    
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Most true western swing is played on non pedal steel. Finding instruction will be difficult. Get some Bob Wills, Johnny Lee Wills, Hank Penny and Spade Cooley records and learn it the old fashioned way. To me Tom Morrell was the best western swing steel player ever. He played both pedal and non pedal. In his later years he only played non pedal.
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Bill McCloskey


Post  Posted 10 Feb 2020 6:43 pm    
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You should think about a T-8 non-pedal if you want that traditional Western swing sound. I am also studying the Western swing players and I have a 56 Stringmaster T-8 long scale and a Remington 8-8-10 triple neck. Cindys is probably the best
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Ron Hogan


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Post  Posted 11 Feb 2020 6:20 am    
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Johnny Cox wrote:
Most true western swing is played on non pedal steel. Finding instruction will be difficult. Get some Bob Wills, Johnny Lee Wills, Hank Penny and Spade Cooley records and learn it the old fashioned way. To me Tom Morrell was the best western swing steel player ever. He played both pedal and non pedal. In his later years he only played non pedal.


Jerry Byrd said the same about Tom. He thought he was the best ever.
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scott murray


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Asheville, NC
Post  Posted 11 Feb 2020 7:21 am    
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Buddy's Basic C6 course is a great place to start and includes Right Or Wrong I believe.

you can certainly play any western swing material on a D-10 pedal steel, including the E9. Herb Steiner did a C6 chord primer that should be easy to find, and it's free.
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Larry Phleger


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DuBois, PA
Post  Posted 11 Feb 2020 8:01 am    
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I believe Cindy's course uses non-pedal C6. If so, you can use your C6 neck without using the pedals with her course. If you like, you can invest in pedal steel C6 instruction later.
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John McClung


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Olympia WA, USA
Post  Posted 11 Feb 2020 8:40 am    
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John Ely teaches many styles including Western swing, via Skype.

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John McClung


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Post  Posted 11 Feb 2020 8:42 am    
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John Ely teaches many styles including Wester swing, via Skype.

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Pete Burak


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Portland, OR USA
Post  Posted 11 Feb 2020 11:48 am    
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Hey Max do you have a 6th neck on your Pedal Steel?
I see Jeffs "C6th & Swingin" is available at Steel Guitars of Canada. Probably at other Steel stores too.
The San Antone Rose stuff is a great Western Swing primer.
http://www.steelguitarscanada.com/online-store/products-page-2/jeff-newman-dvd-instruction/c6th-swinging-2-tab-book-rt-cd-dvd-int-adv/
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Max Wellington


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Texas, USA
Post  Posted 11 Feb 2020 2:13 pm    
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Thank you everyone!
I’ve picked up Cindy’s lessons and I’m already in the PFM. The C6 material for theory is incredibly helpful.
As a side note - is the Jeffran material now truly available? I keep getting solicitations but was told by many that ordering (and actually receiving) was a crap shoot.
Big thanks again for taking the time to help out a new kid Smile
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Bob Watson


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Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
Post  Posted 12 Feb 2020 2:25 pm    
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Johnny Cox, I'm curious, if you were playing a D8 non pedal steel on a Western Swing gig, what tunings would you use?
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Douglas Schuch


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Valencia, Philippines
Post  Posted 12 Feb 2020 10:08 pm    
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Herb Steiner has a lot of Swing stuff tabbed out for C6 pedal steel, with backing tracks and example tracks. He does not do a lot of instruction, per se, but that on top of the Cindy Cashdollar course will get you pretty deeply rooted into a lot of swing songs - enough to figure out most others, I would think.

Cindy's course is best with an 8-string C6 lap steel, not 6-string. You could manage with the 6-stringer, but you will have to work around the missing strings at times.
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Stu Schulman


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Post  Posted 14 Feb 2020 12:16 am    
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Max,Herb Steiner is I Austin and has what you need!
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Max Wellington


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Post  Posted 14 Feb 2020 6:01 am    
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Thanks Stu and Douglas for the Herb Steiner recommend. And it looks like he’s just down the road from me!
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Stu Schulman


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Post  Posted 15 Feb 2020 1:23 am    
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Max,Herb Steiner has carried me longer than my mom! Laughing
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