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Ken Byng


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 7:33 am    
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Virtually all of the soldering exercises that I've watched on YouTube by an American commentator, the gents call solder SODDER. In the UK we pronounce the L and call it soLder. In reality it doesn't make a scrap of difference, but I'm curious to know why there is an abandonment of the L across the pond and when it happened. Rolling Eyes
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Tony Edwards


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 7:57 am     solder
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Ken,

We country red necks from South Carolina call it soider. (Pronounced SOY-DER) I don't know where that came from either!
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Tommy Mc


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 8:02 am     Re: Solder or sodder
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Ken Byng wrote:
I'm curious to know why there is an abandonment of the L across the pond and when it happened. Rolling Eyes


It dates back to April 19, 1775 Lexington and Concord when the Americans beat the "L" out of the British Smile
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Bill A. Moore


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 8:03 am    
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I believe it comes with the other refinements to the language we have adopted to differentiate ourselves from the old country!
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Brooks Montgomery


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 8:12 am    
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Hey Ken, how do you pronounce aluminum?
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Bill Sinclair


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 9:18 am    
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We ain't pronouncin' it wrong. It's just spelt weird.
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Michael Butler


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 10:57 am    
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that's funny! this same subject is on two other guitar fora at the moment. pronunciation, tho, doesn't matter as much as the usage of the product. tomato, potato, etc.

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Tommy Mc


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 10:57 am    
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Brooks Montgomery wrote:
Hey Ken, how do you pronounce aluminum?


Or "lieutenant".
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Jerry Overstreet


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 11:05 am    
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Black label solder sounds best.


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Jim Newberry


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 11:05 am    
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Sodder and Sammin.

I had a pal from Suffolk (John Stannard, RIP) who insisted on "Al-you-min-you-um"
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Ken Byng


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 11:26 am    
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Tommy Mc wrote:
Brooks Montgomery wrote:
Hey Ken, how do you pronounce aluminum?


Or "lieutenant".


Al-ew-min-eeum and lef-tenant. Thank you to those who have submitted their views.
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Ken Pippus


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 12:15 pm    
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It should be noted that the Brits actually spell it Aluminium, consistent with similar elements on the periodic table, rather than the North American Aluminum.
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George McLellan


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 12:50 pm     My ?
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Why do some ( at least in this area) say “acrosst” the pond referring to either Europe or Great Britain, when it’s not even a word 🤪
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Paddy Long


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 1:58 pm    
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Ken - down in Texas they have this stuff called "Bob Wuur" which they put on fences to keep their cattle in... I have no idea who Bob Wuur is either :-} !!!!
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Jonathan Shacklock


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Post  Posted 4 Dec 2019 2:42 pm    
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Turns out the L probably doesn’t belong there: https://www.circuitspecialists.com/blog/solder-not-sodder-the-story-behind-the-silent-or-not-so-silent-l/
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Danny Letz

 

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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 5:59 am    
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Dang Paddy, get it right, that’s Bob War. Some of our merchants keep their goods in warhouses too. Right now now I’m out in the awl patch pumping awl wells.
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Donny Hinson

 

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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 7:19 am    
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The "L" is silent, the same as it is in the words "could", "half", "salmon" and "would". Pronouncing it "sold er" appears a purely UK affectation. No dictionary I've seen gives that as a primary pronunciation (even the Cambridge English Dictionary). Though most of them do state "sold er" as an alternate (UK only) pronunciation.
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Brooks Montgomery


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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 9:48 am    
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Donny Hinson wrote:
The "L" is silent, the same as it is in the words "could", "half", "salmon" and "would". Pronouncing it "sold er" appears a purely UK affectation. No dictionary I've seen gives that as a primary pronunciation (even the Cambridge English Dictionary). Though most of them do state "sold er" as an alternate (UK only) pronunciation.


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Ian Rae


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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 10:12 am    
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"Solder" comes to us from the Latin "solidare" (to make solid) via French, which is rather hit-and-miss when it comes to L's. English is a Frankenstein language assembled from bits of all-sorts, which is why we pronounce the L in "shoulder" but not in "should".
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Pete Bailey


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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 11:39 am    
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Ken Pippus wrote:
It should be noted that the Brits actually spell it Aluminium, consistent with similar elements on the periodic table, rather than the North American Aluminum.

Molyb­denum, tanta­lum & plat­inum would beg to differ. Smile

The spelling of Aluminum was chosen by its discoverer Sir Humphry Davy, using the -um suffix common to other scientific nomenclature of the time (c. 1808).

Some anonymous nitpickers in the British scientific community decided on their own to "correct" the spelling with the -ium suffix to satisfy their own urges for conformity, against the wishes of Sir Humphry.

The proper spelling is "aluminum".

As always, America gets it right while everyone else is just plain wrong. Wink
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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 11:44 am     Listen
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https://youtu.be/xwIHFmagmyk

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/solder

I don't know how they say it in Australia.
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Dick Wood


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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 11:58 am    
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The L in already is silent here in Texas i.e I'm ar-dee at the club and they say we're not booked here tunite.
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Peter Harris

 

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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 12:26 pm     Re: Listen
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b0b wrote:
https://youtu.be/xwIHFmagmyk

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/solder

I don't know how they say it in Australia.





....soLder.... Cool

...but then, it was only a few years ago we stopped singing "God Save The Queen" as our national anthem....


Interesting how "SOLDIER" seems be unilateral though... Rolling Eyes
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Donny Hinson

 

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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 3:26 pm     Re: Listen
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b0b wrote:
https://youtu.be/xwIHFmagmyk

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/solder

I don't know how they say it in Australia.


Me neither! But the British do a lot of things we don't like, and that's probably why we founded this country! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Paddy Long


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Post  Posted 5 Dec 2019 3:52 pm    
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Here in New Zealand we call it Solder as well !! Very Happy

But of course that could change once the Queen passes on hehe ......
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