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Topic: Oh Shenandoah |
Andy Volk
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 14 Sep 2019 10:29 am |
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I liked it (and also the tune after it, cool tone). Very surfy, which I like. I noticed that 'Mis-sou-ri' rubatoed thru, the usual solution, I think.
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Fred Treece
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Posted 14 Sep 2019 10:48 am
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The end can be done smoothly without being rubato. One of the reasons this tune ends up 20 measures long when written in 4/4 is because the phrasing needs to be stretched for an implied rubato.
I like the way you used “rubatoed†as a verb, Charlie. It is a funny looking word, and I’m going to start using it for things that have nothing to do with music. Like, rubatoing my way home, or, hey that pitcher sure rubatoed out of that seventh inning jam, didn’t he? |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 15 Sep 2019 2:24 am
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Yeah, implied rubato. Like you rubatoed your way through that explanation very smoothly. 
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Andy Volk
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Posted 15 Sep 2019 3:37 am
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| Music is the space between notes.--Claude Debussy |
Rubato is the extra space between notes when you're trying to remember the next note. -- Andy Volk
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Fred Treece
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Posted 15 Sep 2019 8:14 am
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| Charlie McDonald wrote: |
| Yeah, implied rubato. Like you rubatoed your way through that explanation very smoothly. |
I think the ending of this thread is being rubatoed  |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 15 Sep 2019 8:26 am
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Very smooth....
I think b0b should rubato his way thru that measure.
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Andy Volk
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Posted 15 Sep 2019 8:26 am
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The only thing left is to rub a toad.
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Paul Strojan
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Posted 21 Sep 2019 6:52 pm
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Does anyone have a good version with drums or a least a steady rhythm instrument? I've actually seen it written as alternating between 3/4 and 4/4 twice on the last line. It's hard to count the timing in all of these legato renderings. Singers and conductors take liberties.  The Tom Rousch version seems the clearest for 4/4 timing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6i5fTie20E
How would a marching band play it?  |
I like this version from the Statler Brothers. https://youtu.be/s_IYaTg-pF4 |
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Thornton Lewis
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Susan Alcorn
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Posted 29 Sep 2019 1:19 pm
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Reading this thread I decided to listen to Jo Stafford's version which (among others) is astoundingly beautiful and reminded me again of the richness in this part of the American songbook. I started thinking about her collaboration with free (and straight ahead) jazz pioneer Charlie Haden, then I remembered (hopefully not to stray too far off subject) Charlie Haden's rendition of "Wayfarin' Stranger" with vocals by Bill Henderson which just gets to me every time I hear it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJtdV39vFus
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Al Evans
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Posted 29 Sep 2019 1:57 pm
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My favorite version is one nobody else has mentioned, "World of Misery (Shenandoah)" by Small Potatoes. It has been thoroughly transformed by moving to the West Indies. I can't find a complete version on the net, but here's a couple of minutes:
https://www.smallpotatoesmusic.com/raws/shenandoah.html
--Al Evans
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Andy Volk
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Posted 2 Oct 2019 5:08 am
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Susan, the version you linked is truly beautiful and moving; great string arrangement. The Jo Stafford American Folk Songs LP I linked earlier is one of my desert island CDs for both Stafford's perfectly intonated, textured singing and Paul Weston's gorgeous arranging. I loved your pedal steel version.
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 2 Oct 2019 6:19 am
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My copy's on vinyl, and yes, I enjoyed your version, Susan, true to my image of the piece (and what my comparator is, ashamedly). It's what I call Americana.
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Susan Alcorn
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Posted 2 Oct 2019 6:52 am
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Charlie and Andy, I'm glad you liked the video of me playing Shenandoah, but I must admit most of it, especially the chord movements (though maybe my phrasing is different), are lifted directly from a Buddy Emmons video from 2007, perhaps one of his last appearances. And I hope that he was not listening from the grave when the two big intonation malfunctions occurred.
Andy, I love your version of Shenandoah!
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Andy Volk
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Posted 2 Oct 2019 8:08 am
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Wow. Thanks, Susan!
And re borrowing from Buddy?
"Mediocre musicians borrow, great musicians steal."
- Beethoven (well, not really  )
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 2 Oct 2019 8:30 am
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| Susan Alcorn wrote: |
| Charlie and Andy, I'm glad you liked the video of me playing Shenandoah, but I must admit most of it, especially the chord movements (though maybe my phrasing is different), are lifted directly from a Buddy Emmons video from 2007, perhaps one of his last appearances. |
I saw that. To me, the magic that was Emmons appeared there in what looks like a teaching moment, the 'introduction' of that chord that was shaping music at the time
(of course, I'm reading a little into that three second look). I mean, you can't, if you're listening, keep from drawing on his 'arrangement.'
Also, I think he chose the rubato solution.
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