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Topic: Split Tuning |
Tommy Shown
From: Denham Springs, La.
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Posted 24 Mar 2019 10:01 am
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Would someone give me some insight about split tun
ing on E 9, and what it is supposed to do?
And as always many thanks
Tommy Shown. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 24 Mar 2019 11:45 am
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It allows you to raise and lower a string at the same time to get a note that isn't there naturally.
Example: Lower string 6 from G# to F#. Engage pedal B at the same time. The lower to F# on string 6 raises to G when you press the B pedal. This only works EASILY on an all-pull guitar. You need a split tuner to accomplish these changes accurately (barring any super luck without them). The reason being, when you tunes all these notes, the F# on string 6 will be flat. The tuning procedure is:
Using the "extra rod" method.
1. Tune string 6 open to G#.
2. Press the B pedal and tune it to A.
3. While still pressing the B pedal, activate the knee lever lowering string 6. You should now use the lowering nylon tuner to tune a G note.
4. Activate the lever that lowers string 6 only. You will probably notice that the F# note is flat. The extra rod is a raise rod. Use the nylon tuner on that rod to raise the pitch of the F# note so that it is in tune. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, NV400, NV112 . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Jack Stoner
From: Kansas City, MO
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Posted 24 Mar 2019 12:11 pm
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Along with the 6th string split mentioned, I have a split on the 5th string. My lower will lower the B string to Bb. The A pedal raises the B string to C# and with the split it lowers the 5th string to C.
An example of the 5th string B split, is with Pedals A and B mashed and the 5th string lower, pick strings 4,5,6 and that gives you a minor - open that would give you an A minor. _________________ GFI Ultra Keyless S-10 with pad (Black of course) TB202 amp, Hilton VP, Steelers Choice sidekick seat, SIT Strings
Cakewalk by Bandlab and Studio One V4.6 pro DAWs, MOTU Ultralite MK5 recording interface unit |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 24 Mar 2019 1:46 pm
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I don't understand extra rods. All my guitars have split screws in the changer.
I tune the in-between note with the lower nut and the bottom note with the screw. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Jack Stoner
From: Kansas City, MO
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Posted 24 Mar 2019 2:12 pm
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Some such as the Franklin do not have the split screws. My Franklin has screws for the 5th and 6th strings that were put in at my request by Mr Franklin. _________________ GFI Ultra Keyless S-10 with pad (Black of course) TB202 amp, Hilton VP, Steelers Choice sidekick seat, SIT Strings
Cakewalk by Bandlab and Studio One V4.6 pro DAWs, MOTU Ultralite MK5 recording interface unit |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Mar 2019 12:31 am
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I have noticed that some guitars have maybe one or two screws, but while you're building, why not drill and tap the lot? You never know. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Charles Kurck
From: Living in Arkansas but Heaven is home
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Posted 25 Mar 2019 3:50 am E9th Splits
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 25 Mar 2019 5:32 am
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Ian Rae wrote: |
I have noticed that some guitars have maybe one or two screws, but while you're building, why not drill and tap the lot? You never know. |
I think because most of the time, you only hear of players splitting the 5th and 6th strings. But I agree, why not do all the strings.
I have never owned a guitar with the split screws. My Carter and Mullen have the extra rods, and they work really good. But, I have not tried the screws. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, NV400, NV112 . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Georg Sørtun
From: Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 25 Mar 2019 6:27 am
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"Max-lower stop screws" work fine, but they are kind of like a "one-trick pony" in that they can only limit max lower by holding back the finger, and thereby facilitate a split with a raise.
I prefer "split rods" – providing there is room for those I need in any given A-P PSG, as "split rods" do not limit our options to one max-lower adjustment pr string, rods can limit raises as well as lowers, and "split rods" can (if necessary) be set up to adjust the travel-curves for syncronised raises / lowers while defining the actual max raise/lower.
As having "max-lower stop screws" does not exclude "split rods" or other compensator rods, having it all is ideal |
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Pete Burak
From: Portland, OR USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2019 7:08 am
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Sierra used to make an add-on thingee that instantly added a split-screw for a every string (I will add a pic tonight).
I saw some other after-market add-on split-screw units at the Dallas show, one I recall is made by Mullen.
Just an FYI if you have no split-screws and want split-screws.
Here is the Mullen one:
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Mar 2019 1:36 pm
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Georg, what you say is very illuminating. I shall learn about extra rods as they would solve the problem on the uni where a string such as the middle G# has to perform two roles with two "max lowers". _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Ken Byng
From: Southampton, England
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Posted 3 Jun 2019 2:06 am
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My Show Pro uses rods for splits, and it works perfectly. _________________ Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Jun 2019 2:16 am
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Split screws have another disadvantage. The only practical place to put them is closer to the axle than the nearest raise, which makes the adjustment very sensitive. I have to readjust them more often than any of the pulls. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Dustin Rigsby
From: Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 3 Jun 2019 2:25 am
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FWIW, Somewhere on the forum, Tommy White posted that he prefers the extra rod method for tuning stability reasons. _________________ D.S. Rigsby |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Jun 2019 2:37 am
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So there you are - who would argue? _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Ron Hogan
From: Nashville, TN, usa
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Posted 3 Jun 2019 5:09 am
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Mickey Adams has a good video explaining splits.
CLICK |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Posted 3 Jun 2019 3:13 pm
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I played without them for 25 years, but once I got them, it was like a whole new world of possibilities opened up.
I have 3, on my 4th, 5th, and 8th strings. _________________ Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Devon Breshears
From: Idaho, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2019 11:18 am
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I'm a newbie, I have a GFI UltraD10 that does not have a split screw mechanism. So, the extra rod would connect to which pedal/lever on the 2nd string for instance? The factory copedant list the RKR change as D/C#, is that where the extra rod should be placed? |
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Ian Worley
From: Sacramento, CA
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Posted 16 Jul 2019 12:14 pm
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I think you're talking about a half-stop Devon, which is different than a split.
A half-stop is "feel" stop point at an intermediate note on a single knee lever, the D note in the case you mentioned.
A "split" refers to an intermediate note that is achieved by applying a separate raise and a lower simultaneously on the same string with two different knees or pedals. In most case the resulting intermediate note will end up a little flat. The split tuning methods discussed above correct/compensate for that. |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 16 Jul 2019 12:37 pm
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Devon Breshears wrote: |
I'm a newbie, I have a GFI UltraD10 that does not have a split screw mechanism. So, the extra rod would connect to which pedal/lever on the 2nd string for instance? The factory copedant list the RKR change as D/C#, is that where the extra rod should be placed? |
Does your RKR also lower string 9 from D to C#? That nylon nut on string 9 is where you tune the the D note on the 2nd string. You adjust the nut on the 9th string to start pulling when the 2nd string is at the D note. Adding the resistance from the 9th string pull gives the "feel stop" at D. _________________ Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, NV400, NV112 . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Devon Breshears
From: Idaho, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2019 12:49 pm
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Richard Sinkler wrote: |
Does your RKR also lower string 9 from D to C#? That nylon nut on string 9 is where you tune the the D note on the 2nd string. You adjust the nut on the 9th string to start pulling when the 2nd string is at the D note. Adding the resistance from the 9th string pull gives the "feel stop" at D. |
YES! That makes so much sense the way you and Ian explained it. Thanks so much for help a new guy out! |
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Gabriel Edell
From: Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 9 Feb 2020 4:04 pm
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Devon Breshears wrote: |
I'm a newbie, I have a GFI UltraD10 that does not have a split screw mechanism. So, the extra rod would connect to which pedal/lever on the 2nd string for instance? The factory copedant list the RKR change as D/C#, is that where the extra rod should be placed? |
At the advice of the very helpful people here I added a split rod on the 6th string (G#) of my GFI Ultra S-10 a few months back. I ordered the part from Al Brisco and it wasn't too expensive. It took about 10 minutes to install and another 5 minutes to get it properly adjusted. I am definitely going to install some more. _________________ GFI S-10 P U, Moyo Volume, Fender Steel King, Fender 5F4 Super-Amp |
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Kelcey ONeil
From: Sevierville, TN
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Posted 13 May 2020 12:02 am E9 splits
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Any one ever put splits on a push pull? |
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Ken Byng
From: Southampton, England
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Posted 13 May 2020 12:36 am Re: E9 splits
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Kelcey ONeil wrote: |
Any one ever put splits on a push pull? |
Bobbe Seymour reckoned that it was achievable although he never clarified how. At least on this forum. _________________ Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
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Kelcey ONeil
From: Sevierville, TN
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Posted 17 May 2020 6:01 pm
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TTT, I’m interested in feedback on the push pull splits |
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