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Topic: What are the required skills of a session Steel Player? |
Benjamin Davidson
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 9:08 am
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I had an interesting idea of trying my hand at session work when my first career comes to a close here shortly and I find myself in college.
What are the required skills of a session Steel Player?
Where would you invest your hours of practice and study to pursue this segment of steel playing? |
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Greg Lambert
From: Illinois, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 12:06 pm
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1. the number system
2. extended chord structures
3. Proficient at Lots of genre and styles
4. Good communications skills
5. good understanding of what musicians want
6. Ability to adapt to different recording environments
7. Proficient on Both necks.
Just to name a few. Also unless your a tiered player with the musicians union , dont expect super high pay for your talents. |
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mtulbert
From: Plano, Texas 75023
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 1:06 pm
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I can tell you that is a slippery slope similar to the NFL. Hundreds of kids playing football but only a few get to the league.
When I was in Nashville in the early 70's I engineered and mixed approximately 3000 recording sessions. During that 3 year period we used 4 steel players, 4 keyboard player, 5 rhythm guitar players. 5 different bass players. I think you see where this is going.
Most of these pro's spent years on the road before moving into the recording end of the business. _________________ Mark T
Rittenberry Laquer D10, Rittenberry Prestige SD10, Revelation Preamp,Revelation Octal Preamp,Lexicon PCM 92 Reverb, Furlong Cabinet |
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Skip Edwards
From: LA,CA
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 1:18 pm
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Know when to not play...wait for your spot. |
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john buffington
From: Owasso OK - USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 1:30 pm
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Good attitude, no ego, easy to get along with also helps. |
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Michael Maddex
From: Northern New Mexico, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 1:46 pm
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¨Don´t forget your pencil.¨ |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 2:47 pm
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john buffington wrote: |
Good attitude, no ego, easy to get along with also helps. |
I'd say that's the big essentials right there (besides being able to play in perfect tune). Also, be on time (that means early), and set up quickly. It's probably also good to swallow your pride, play simple, and just give them what they're asking for. Save the hot licks for the bandstand, and keep your opinions to yourself.
Been there, done that. |
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Dale Foreman
From: Crowley Louisiana, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 3:05 pm Session player
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Lots of patience and get ready for the session I.e. chart your parts out and fresh strings. _________________ Rittenberry Prestige(2) |
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Tyler Hall
From: Mt. Juliet, TN
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 3:19 pm
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Charting parts out is great in advance if you have the material. 99% of the time when I walk into the studio I have no idea what the songs are or how they go so there's really no way to prepare. String your guitar, have your chops up and be able to come up with parts on the fly. It's much easier said than done some days. _________________ www.joshturner.com
www.ghsstrings.com |
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Tommy White
From: Nashville
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 8:16 pm
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Again, Donnie Hinson nails it down. 😊
Last edited by Tommy White on 19 Sep 2018 7:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 13 Sep 2018 9:43 pm Re: What are the required skills of a session Steel Player?
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Benjamin Davidson wrote: |
I had an interesting idea of trying my hand at session work when my first career comes to a close here shortly and I find myself in college.
What are the required skills of a session Steel Player?
Where would you invest your hours of practice and study to pursue this segment of steel playing? |
It depends on what music you want to pursue. I decided against moving to Nashville when I was first getting steady session work in nyc. There where a 1000 players already way better than I will ever be there with the exact skills needed for that work. I found that my ability to read a little and find ways to bring the steel into different musical forms had me being pretty busy in NYC studios when producers where looking for something new.
. Listen to string quartets and make sure you understand what the viola is doing. You will always have a gig if you can do that. Might not help much with honky tonk gigs though.
Besides what Donnie said Some basic skills every steel player needs are:
Have control of your sound and tone.
Play in tune.
Have complete control of your phrasing and dynamics.
Be able to find your place in the arrangement.
Make sure you love it and are having fun. _________________ Bob |
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Sonny Jenkins
From: Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 5:41 am
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Another vote for Hinson's advice,,,or to abbreviate it,,,"keep your mouth shut",,,I can think of a least a couple of GREAT musicians that were not successful in NV,,,,an abundance of talent,,,(to many opinions!)
FWIW,,,I think one of the most perennial, long lasting careers in NV is guitarist Jimmy Capps,,,been around forever, seen on everything, welcome everywhere,,,just sits back and plays,,,no comments,,,nothing to say,,,just plays. |
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Benjamin Davidson
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 6:01 am
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I appreciate the replies so far, that's why I asked the question here.
Keep them coming. |
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Doug Beaumier
From: Northampton, MA
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 6:14 am
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Donny Hinson wrote: |
john buffington wrote: |
Good attitude, no ego, easy to get along with also helps. |
I'd say that's the big essentials right there (besides being able to play in perfect tune). Also, be on time (that means early), and set up quickly. It's probably also good to swallow your pride, play simple, and just give them what they're asking for. Save the hot licks for the bandstand, and keep your opinions to yourself.
Been there, done that. |
+1 Stay positive, play simple, be flexible, be a team player. Besides the obvious (good tone, good intonation and being prepared) getting along well with others is the most important thing IMO. _________________ My Site / My YouTube Channel
25 Songs C6 Lap Steel / 25 MORE Songs C6 Lap Steel / 16 Songs, C6, A6, B11 / 60 Popular Melodies E9 Pedal Steel |
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David Graves
From: Indiana, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 7:29 am
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In relation to what Donny said, one thing I’ve learned is your there to play what “they†want to hear. Yes, they want your talent and instrument but remember it’s not your song, it’s someone else’s. Play clean and within your means. Going back over and over to try to hit that hot lick can be very annoying to an engineer. Most of all be nice... always...everywhere. _________________ St. Blues 1984 "Holy Grail"
Take the time to introduce someone young to music... and play a few songs with someone old. |
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Pete Burak
From: Portland, OR USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 7:31 am
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I think the industry is moving more to videos of live performances, and the product is a Concert DVD instead of a Studio CD.
I would look for a job in that field if I were just starting out.
Questions I would ask as a Studio Steel Player?...
Who is my employer?
What are the hours, pay, benefits, etc. |
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Damir Besic
From: Nashville,TN.
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Dale Foreman
From: Crowley Louisiana, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 8:37 am Session playier
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I've been fortunate as I have been working with the same engineer and producer since 1999. He always sends me the rough tracks so that I can work out the parts. He's also sprung surprises on me as well. When it comes down to getting it perfect, he is relentless on me which has actually helped me along my career. Some of you may know him, his name is Rick Lagneaux and he has penned many songs for artists such as Sammy Kershaw , Wayne Toups and jumped started artists like Hunter Hayes and many other artists.. We have a great relationship which goes a long ways. I know someone said it before but leave the fancy stuff at home!ðŸ˜
Dale _________________ Rittenberry Prestige(2) |
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Dale Foreman
From: Crowley Louisiana, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 8:41 am Session playier
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I've been fortunate as I have been working with the same engineer and producer since 1999. He always sends me the rough tracks so that I can work out the parts. He's also sprung surprises on me as well. When it comes down to getting it perfect, he is relentless on me which has actually helped me along my career. Some of you may know him, his name is Rick Lagneaux and he has penned many songs for artists such as Sammy Kershaw , Wayne Toups and jumped started artists like Hunter Hayes and many other artists.. We have a great relationship which goes a long ways.
Dale _________________ Rittenberry Prestige(2) |
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Fred Treece
From: California, USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 9:22 am
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Greg Lambert nails it.
A steel playing friend of mine had one golden rule when he was in pursuit of his now very successful recording and touring career - do something every day toward the goal. Practice, establish contacts, record yourself and find out what you can play in one or two takes, upgrade equipment, get specific advice from other pros, “intern†at a local studio, work with a songwriter if you know one, etc.
Oh, and uh... get lucky |
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Earnest Bovine
From: Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 11:00 am
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Skip Edwards wrote: |
Know when to not play...wait for your spot. |
Less true in the Pro Tools era. "Give me 2 or 3 passes and play everywhere; I'll straighten it out later." (this way the producer is the genius). |
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 1:46 pm
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hopefully someone above said knowing how to listen to instructions and not argue. I don't do many sessions, maybe 5 or 6 a year. No prep. I think it's better, unless you are part of a band, to not have any preconceived notions. If the producer knows what he or she wants, it's not difficult. They are the ones with the blank palette, not us.
Obviously knowing how to play to a reasonable degree is a non discussed requirement.
never assume they want country licks , assume nothing.
Oh yeah, bring a 2nd volume pedal, (powered beam preferred) . Last session the POT went bad in my 120, I didn't bring a spare, we got thru it and I offered to come back and re-track. The minimal noise fortunately did not appear on he track, I had to concentrate on minimal usage.
Regarding when to play when not to play, thats never been a factor. Sometimes we started the song at the end and worked backwards ! Sometimes the producer had me playing many parts, all thru the song, sometimes with a different phrase or feel. They picked the ones they wanted to use well after I left. Generally I set up in the control room and we talk about the phrasing ahead of time. The producer/arranger teaches me the chart at that time. It's fun .
This isn't a band setting or a stage setting, it's entirely possible that the producer / engineer won't even play other lead tracks during the session. The last few sessions I was invited to play on, they didn't even add any other lead parts until after I was finished. They wanted the Steel phrases to influence the guitar parts.
In each case I never heard the finished track for a month or two later ! _________________ Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website
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John Macy
From: Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 14 Sep 2018 7:43 pm
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Earnest—you can have your take and edit, too! _________________ John Macy
Rockport, TX
Engineer/Producer/Steel Guitar |
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Steven Pearce
From: Port Orchard Washington, USA
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Posted 15 Sep 2018 8:03 am Happy happy happy!
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Rule number one~Expect Everything which translates into ‘Be Prepared’
And like Earnest said...in the Pro-Tools age, it’s usually 2 or 3 passes, and we’ll put it all together. That works for me, by the 3rd pass we have it. And give em choices, I’ve never been given a steel part they want ahead of time. It’s way more fun when an artist and engineer trust your creativity.
“Hit it & Get it! Show up, set up, tune up, and make ‘em smile†Attitude is EVERYTHING!
Thanks for listening, Steve. _________________ http://www.fentonstwang.com/fr_home.cfm |
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Doug Beaumier
From: Northampton, MA
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