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Paul McEvoy


From:
Vermont, USA
Post Posted 11 Jul 2018 8:04 pm     Reply with quote

I’m guessing this has been discussed to death.

But what’s the deal with the guy who is parting out tons of fender steel guitars? It’s a real bummer...I’m interested in a double neck fender and he’s got them consistently but with no parts.

Is he just stealing the pickups out of them? Kinda gross.
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Brad Davis


From:
Texas, USA
Post Posted 11 Jul 2018 8:40 pm     Reply with quote

Yeah its been discussed to death. Which Fender models are you looking for?

As far as Stringmaster parts anyway, he seems to have parted out a few 2 or 3 neck guitars of unknown condition (some of the parts have shown rust), and has mostly had more or less the same parts listed for a year or more, after the rarest stuff was bought up I'm guessing. I'm not sure how much of a threat he really is or that he's actively destroying all that many guitars.

With 60+ year old guitars, the best (and most expensive) come complete and still working. Some come near complete or with failing parts or electronics. And a few have been through the ringer with refinishes, neck re-configurations, parts scavenged and swapped, etc, etc. For these latter types of steels, which are popular and more cost effective as "project guitars" for some people, the only source of parts is going to be those taken from other guitars. They aren't making any more of them.

Now I emphatically do not like the idea of taking a guitar in perfect working order and parting it out. But I don't have a problem with selling parts per se, there are some guitars in such state of disrepair or incompleteness that salvaging for parts is their best use, and there is a market for that. Original tuner pan assemblies are a particularly hot item as they are so prone to problems and failures. The repro pans seem to just sit there though. There aren't enough working parts to go around to make every single guitar whole, so some parting out is the best use of resources sometimes. And I still see complete and unmolested Fender steel guitars coming up for sale regularly here, on eBay, Reverb and elsewhere.
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Paul McEvoy


From:
Vermont, USA
Post Posted 11 Jul 2018 9:59 pm     Reply with quote

Ok that makes sense. His auctions seem to pop up a lot so it seems like he’s tearing up a new guitar each week.

I think I’m looking for a D8 Trapezoid. Is that what I call it?
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Brad Davis


From:
Texas, USA
Post Posted 11 Jul 2018 10:36 pm     Reply with quote

I'm not trying to defend the guy, I'm not certain what he's done. But I don't think he's destroying every guitar out there, and there has been some immediate leaping to conclusion that he is some kind of villain before.

Sounds like you are looking for a Fender Dual Pro (Dual Professional). Late 40s to early 50s. Trapezoid string-thru pickups, D8 configuration. Great guitars.
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Jim Sliff


From:
Lawndale California, USA
Post Posted 12 Jul 2018 8:11 pm     Reply with quote

We've seen a few sellers actually buy working guitars from sellers on the Facebook Fender Pedal Steel page and sell the parts on eBay.

I work a bit in the vintage 6=string world and these same guys are notorious for buying restorable (or working) 6-syting guitars and doing the same thing.

One tried to defend himself here a few years ago.

My advice - if you need parts - ask on one of the guitar specific forums or facebook pages. Many players have stock of parts or sources for them. Do NOT buy form "parts junkyard" sellers on eBay. It just supports a bad practice that permanently destroys guitars that can be returned to playable condition.
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Mark Helm


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Tennessee, USA
Post Posted 12 Jul 2018 8:49 pm     Agreed, but.... Reply with quote

I agree: we ought not support people who destroy working guitars that should be preserved for history.

But sometimes it gets sticky. Recently, I was offered $2,000 for the 1954 pots from one of my Fender steels. A guy who was restoring a '54 Strat worth in the tens of thousands needed the pots to make his guitar original.

That was a difficult decision, because I had trouble selling the guitar itself for $1,300.

What would you have done? My first thought was to sell the pots and just buy new ones. However, in this particular case, I didn't sell the pots because it turned out the month range the seller needed was off just a hair, and he happened to find exactly what he was looking for.

In all honesty, I was actually glad I wasn't forced by necessity to take an original part out of a guitar just for the cash. But it sometimes happens.
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Jeff Mead


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London, England
Post Posted 13 Jul 2018 1:35 am     Reply with quote

Why would he offer you $2000 for the pots if he could have bought the whole guitar off you for $1300?
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Jim Sliff


From:
Lawndale California, USA
Post Posted 14 Jul 2018 5:56 pm     Reply with quote

Mark, honestly in that case - if he was completing an original guitar rather than destroying one - i wouLd probably have sold the pots.

but it's a very odd story. Pots from the 50's are fairly common and would not add much value to his guitar unless mounted IN a guitar and the solder joints were untouched. Pots are not branded "Fender" - it just doesn't make sense3.

I've seen "loose" 250k and 500k pots with mid-50's dates sell at guitar shows for $10-50 each in good shape. There are sellers at vintage shows with buckets full of pots.

I can't imagine someone paying such a high price for them. Knobs - heck yes. But not pots.
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Mike Neer


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NJ
Post Posted 14 Jul 2018 8:52 pm     Reply with quote

But if someone was seeking to find replacement pots for a guitar for the purpose of selling it as original, that would be wrong. Is that something that vintage guitar sellers do? It seems ludicrous to me that someone would do that just to satisfy their own need for it to be right. There has to be some other motivation ($$$).
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Jeff Mead


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London, England
Post Posted 14 Jul 2018 11:41 pm     Reply with quote

The more I think about this, the less sense it makes. The only way the month range could be "wrong" is if the pot was newer than the guitar, in which case he wouldn't have been interested in them at all.

Because Fender guitars were built by picking parts out of a huge parts bin, it would be very unusual to have the date on the pots to be exactly the same month as the neck.

And secondly, surely all Fender steels have Telecaster knobs and so a solid shaft whereas a Strat that has push on plastic knobs has a split shaft, so even if the date was spot on, wouldn't it be the wrong pot anyway?

That said, people do ask amazing prices for original pots (and even bits of wire).

http://www.eddievegas.com/store/products/Guitar-Pots/1.php
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Jim Sliff


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Lawndale California, USA
Post Posted 16 Jul 2018 10:24 am     Reply with quote

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But if someone was seeking to find replacement pots for a guitar for the purpose of selling it as original, that would be wrong


for the purpose of restoration it's considered acceptable *if* records were kept and it's disclosed at the time of sale, if any.

But to do it to "assemble" a guitar and then sell it as "100% original" - no. But there are those that do it. It's been estimated that over 50% of "100% original 1950's Stratocasters" aren't.

That's why smart vintage buyers pay for authentication to be done, which usually runs about $100 (except when something is ridiculously obvious). And also why many experts refuse to post authentication advice on forums - they'd be giving away their work for free.

Which is one reason I caution against relying on forum advice of any kind - IMO people need to do SOME research on their own and find information from qualified sources. Someone na forum - unless you know then well - could be an expert; a semi-qualified amateur that only repeats what he read eon another forum - or even a 15 year old kid who plays only tuba but types like a demon......


It's VERY hard to get an assembled fraud past a qualified vintage expert. There are large vintage dealers and individual brokers in nearly every large metro area in the US and Europe.

Jeff's right - pots were bought in huge quantities and dumped in bins - they are a terrible way of dating a guitar *except* when certifying original solder joints - which takes years of experience.

Fender must have bought a trainload of 1 meg pots in 1956, because I am constantly "told" by owners that their Fender 400...or even 800...is a 1956 because of the pot date.

Some people know just enough to be more stupid than if they knew nothing at all.

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Dave Mudgett


From:
Central Pennsylvania
Post Posted 16 Jul 2018 5:09 pm     Reply with quote

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But if someone was seeking to find replacement pots for a guitar for the purpose of selling it as original, that would be wrong. Is that something that vintage guitar sellers do?

I'm sorry, but I think the answer is yes - I believe some of them do. It sucks. Some of the most knowledgable vintage dealers have basically pulled out of buying and selling high-end Fenders because if someone really knows what they're doing, it's basically impossible to tell a period-correct-parts-guitar from the real thing unless there's some serious provenance to go with the guitar. Especially custom-color finishes. It's much harder to truly replicate a sunburst or other transparent finish like a blonde and make it convicingly look like a real 50s or 50s finish. But if you have an authentic body and neck, there are a lot of parts "tricks of the trade" that can really fool even the experts. My opinion.

I was hangin with my friend's booth close to one of the steel parts guys last weekend at the Philly show. I didn't see any steel parts. Across the show, I saw lots of lap steels, but not much action. Only one serious pedal steel - a square-front LDG. Oh, a Harlin Multi-Kord across from me. No action on steels at all as far as I could see. I had a very early (34/35) Rick B6, nobody even looked closely at it. Several Oahus, Supro/Valcos for less than $200. The guitar crowd seems to be fairly disinterested right at the moment. I probably shoulda' picked up a few at bargain prices, which were prevalent. It will change, that crowd is fickle. Again, my opinion.

IMO, banjos are worse. Dealing in vintage banjos is like navigating the worst imaginable mine field. No electronics on which to be able to inspect solder joints, and no banjo player ever seems satisfied with a stock one. But when they sell them, they're "perfect". Again, my opinions.

This has become more like the "true antiques" market. Players play 'em. Collectors display 'em.

BTW, I have no problem with parting out guitars that have already been hacked up. It is NORMAL for guitars that are played to need repairs, and it's great if they can be restored to "as-original" condition. But the obsessive-compulsive desire of certain hipster-yuppie-scum to brag about "cultural artifacts" that they own but can't play and really know nothing about makes me want to puke.
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