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Ollin Landers


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 6:06 am    
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Alright I admit it. I'm just a little more than an amateur at C6. I actually play a Universal so B6 but let's say it's the same thing. My guitars have a modified Newman copedent.

I am very familiar with using P5, P6 and P5+6. I rarely but sometimes use P4 for the 6th chord. I can also use my Knee Lever to lower the 3rd string and raise the 4th.

Now, I know what P7 does. I just never really found a use for it. Can some of you C6 gurus give me some uses for that pedal.

Keep in mind I only play a handful of swing tunes. Typical 1-6-2-5-1 stuff. No modern or Bebop jazz, no Broadway Show tunes. Just simple Western Swing and Rockabilly with a little blues thrown in.
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Pete Burak


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 6:26 am    
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In B6th mode, use it for the minor chords.
The first minor chird is two frets back from open position with P7.
P7 on B6th is analogous to the BC pedal combo on E9th.
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Ollin Landers


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 6:47 am    
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Pete

I knew I could count on you to respond to this one. I was just going over some old Newman B6th instructions and answered my own question. Back 2 frets P7 for the 2m.

But making it analogous with BC really drives it home. I just landed a job with a Rockabilly Swing band and they are really pushing my limits on C6th.

I need to keep coming up with new stuff at every rehearsal.

Do you have any experience with the Newman C6th Swinging course? I have the C6th Workshop and it only goes so far.

I've heard the Herbie Wallace course is great also but getting hard to find.
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Pete Burak


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 7:22 am    
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Here is a nice slow one you can play along with in both 6th mode and 9th mode to prove the analogy.
It's in G.
Use the BC Combo in E9th to get the minor chords of the progression.
G-Am-Bm-Bbm-Am-D
3-3BC-5BC-4BC-3BC-5AB
or, with E's lowerd for B6th mode.
8-6(P7)-8(P7)-7(P7)-6(P7)-10(P6)
Stormy Monday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqa1s4jhkQ8

I have C6th and Swinging and th first half is excellent, but he kinda loses be on the second half when he goes into Sweet Georgia Brown.
I have some Herby 6th courses too, I will have to take a look.
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Ollin Landers


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Chapel Hill, NC
Post  Posted 17 May 2018 8:17 am    
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I'm really interested in the pockets and soloing over the changes with B6th.

I can fake my way through on some songs using the OBAIL pockets, but I have never spent the time to get really good at it.

There is no substitute for seat time and a good ear. But having a starting reference with scale positions and patterns helps.

Sort of like when you learned that first Pentatonic scale on a 6 string.
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Ken Pippus


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 9:26 am    
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http://www.buddyemmons.com/Pockets.htm

http://www.buddyemmons.com/MinorPockets.htm

Not on the original topic, but related to subsequent discussion.
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Tony Glassman


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 9:41 am    
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I use the 7th pedal often.....either by itself (minor & major 9th chords) or in conjunction with pedal 5, 6 or pedals 5+6. It provides altered 7th chords and is great for substitutions.

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Ollin Landers


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Chapel Hill, NC
Post  Posted 17 May 2018 9:52 am    
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Ken

Thanks I've actually downloaded those Big E pocket web pages. There's enough to keep me busy for months.
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Ollin Landers


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 9:54 am    
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Tony

How do you use P7 with P5 I assume double footing it?

Or do you mean you just use it in chord progressions?
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Rick Schmidt


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Post  Posted 17 May 2018 11:20 am    
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There's a ton of what I call "Mooneyisms" using the 7th pedal on the 6th tuning. Start by fooling around with it 5 frets up from open 6 chord position. I pretty much learned to apply my back neck in a real gig situation by using the 7th pedal to emulate E9 sounds on C6. Yes it's really great for jazz and blues stuff... actually a VERY important pedal for that.... but it's also really great for country if you know where to look. Cool
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Ollin Landers


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Chapel Hill, NC
Post  Posted 17 May 2018 1:39 pm    
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Rick

I play a Uni so using P7 is as easy as using BC to play Mooney style licks. I've learned to use the 4th string raise (B Pedal) to give me the same thing as the C6th Knee lever. But honestly I've never thought of reversing the concept.

I'm going to sit down tonight and see what I can come up with.

Pete has given me some good ideas as well.
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Dave Magram


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San Jose, California, USA
Post  Posted 18 May 2018 10:27 pm    
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Ollin Landers wrote:

I just landed a job with a Rockabilly Swing band and they are really pushing my limits on C6th.
I need to keep coming up with new stuff at every rehearsal.


Ollin,

Here's some ideas from a master of rockabilly steel guitar, Bobby Black:
Blue Suede Shoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83vGnDpbZ84

Good Rockin' Tonight (Live) (1973/Austin, TX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPmXE9kGQjc

Oh Momma Momma (Live) (1973/Austin, TX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQPSE_cZX9Q&list=PLUSYGmdZjtkw_A3kiEIcodZrI45-rmDqV&index=8

Mean Woman Blues (Live) (1973/Austin, TX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alWymGEKXs8&list=PLUSYGmdZjtkw_A3kiEIcodZrI45-rmDqV&index=13

Rock That Boogie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ior0h5rqhM
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And here's a Jerry Lee Lewis rockabilly classic that Jerry Horner (a SGF forum member) did some killer playing on:
Ozark Jubilee Boys: Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On – 1959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA-YlZ4HX3c

More on Jerry at: https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=2571077&highlight=#2571077

- Dave
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Kyle Everson


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Nashville, Tennessee
Post  Posted 18 May 2018 11:48 pm    
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Check out the solo on George Strait’s “You’re Something Special To Me.” It utilizes the 5-frets-up position with pedal 7 that includes notes you might expect from an E9 approach.
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Douglas Schuch


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St John, US Virgin Islands
Post  Posted 19 May 2018 5:23 am    
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Take a look at any C6 tab for Buddy's intro to Nightlife - he uses it extensively for that.

Herby Wallace used it a lot for melodic playing with instrumentals, as do I. You can check out my tab for "If I Only Had A Brain" to see what I mean:

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=325154
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