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Dennis Montgomery


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Post  Posted 8 Apr 2018 10:03 am    
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Tom Spaulding wrote:
Steve Howe on a double-neck playing "Soon" from Relayer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pNm2VqLPx4


Very nice, though his steel part in 'Soon' wasn't written for pedal steel and can be played on regular steel. Here's Steve playing it on his Fender Dual Pro 6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb04hwavJ3I

In his early 90's book, "The Steve Howe Guitar Collection" he says, "I've used the Dual 6 for many, many recordings. One of the earliest was the gentle, spacey finale of 'Gates of Delirium', a section we usually referred to as 'Soon' because that's what Jon is singing most of the time."

Regarding his Sho-Bud D10 he says, "On record, I first used the Sho-Bud on 'To Be Over' from 'Relayer'. At the 37:25 mark of the following vid from the same show as the 'Soon' video, during the beginning of the 'To Be Over' solo you can see him mashing those pedals Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWorSM6wX4

I'm a bit of a Steve Howe nut (obviously) and I could be wrong, but AFAIK he only brought the Sho-Bud D10 on tour in '74 and '75 when they played 'To Be Over'. The rest of the 70's tours he usually played all his slide parts on the Fender Dual Pro 6 or on rare occasion a Fender Stringmaster 4 neck Wink
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Joe Goldmark

 

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Post  Posted 8 Apr 2018 12:29 pm    
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One of my favorites, Floyd Smith doing "Floyd's Guitar Blues" with Andy Kirk's Orchestra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3EjpDyQN4
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Bob Ricker

 

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Post  Posted 8 Apr 2018 4:32 pm    
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Mason Proffit

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David Mitchell

 

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Post  Posted 8 Apr 2018 5:05 pm    
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The old rockers loved pedal steel and some so much they bought and recorded with one themselves like guitar player Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin. He was one of the early MSA players. The pop artist back then like Elton John found them useful too.(B.J Cole) Like Donnie said steel fell from grace in the 80's for all except for a few of the biggest artist like Strait, Twitty and Jackson. Looks like producers would have learned the biggest hit makers used steel guitars but evidently not.
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Anthony Lis

 

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Post  Posted 8 Apr 2018 7:44 pm    
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Jim Fogarty wrote:
David Gertschen wrote:
Jeff "Skunk" Baxter's playing on the Doobie Brothers "South City Midnight Lady" has always been one of my favorites.


Even better....on Steely Dan's "Pearl of the Quarter"

https://youtu.be/9CbL2-nvalE


That's a fine one, too.
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Brett Lanier

 

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Post  Posted 9 Apr 2018 5:16 am    
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Here are a couple I did that came out recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsn22-BgdVQ
Analog Evi led jazz group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f0rprMMiw
Synthy pop record. There are a couple obvious steel sounds but some that aren't. i.e. pillowy delays in the 2nd chorus...
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Craig A Davidson


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Post  Posted 9 Apr 2018 6:24 am    
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Godfrey Arthur wrote:
Joseph Napolitano wrote:
Paul Franklin on " So Nice to be With You", the AM pop hit. I think Paul was around 14 y/o when he did that session.


Was this the song by Gallery sounding like "Gerry and The Pacemakers meets Herman's Hermits?"




Rarely do we get info from the musical directors of many songs/albums as to why they chose a certain instrument.

My thinking is they used steel on non country songs to cross genre and get a wider audience and sales.


I have been told that was Paul's first session.
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Russ Tkac


Post  Posted 9 Apr 2018 6:56 pm    
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Brett Lanier wrote:
Here are a couple I did that came out recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsn22-BgdVQ
Analog Evi led jazz group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f0rprMMiw
Synthy pop record. There are a couple obvious steel sounds but some that aren't. i.e. pillowy delays in the 2nd
chorus...


Very nice Brett and unique use of steel. I like your playing on the Brett Hughes stuff as well. Great playing and tone from the Marlen.
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Bob Hoffnar


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Post  Posted 9 Apr 2018 9:18 pm    
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Brett Lanier wrote:
Here are a couple I did that came out recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsn22-BgdVQ
Analog Evi led jazz group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f0rprMMiw
Synthy pop record. There are a couple obvious steel sounds but some that aren't. i.e. pillowy delays in the 2nd chorus...


Brett, Great work ! Super musical.
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Brett Lanier

 

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Post  Posted 10 Apr 2018 10:15 am    
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Hey thanks guys. That Green Empire session was fun. In the end, Taylor said he didn't want any fixes or overdubs, and he left everything we played. Also only had one knee lever (F) on the guitar I used which forced me to play differently.
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David Gertschen

 

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Post  Posted 10 Apr 2018 7:13 pm    
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Joe Goldmark wrote:
One of my favorites, Floyd Smith doing "Floyd's Guitar Blues" with Andy Kirk's Orchestra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3EjpDyQN4


That was new to me, thank you Joe!

The wildest song I heard all day...
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Bob Hoffnar


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Post  Posted 10 Apr 2018 8:26 pm    
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Lets not forget the always astonishing work of Dan Tyack and Chas Smith !

And Joel Martin
http://www.joelmartinmusic.com/

And Austin's own Mr. Gary Newcomb

https://www.reverbnation.com/garynewcombtrio
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Rick Kornacker


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Dixon Springs, Tennessee, USA
Post  Posted 15 Apr 2018 5:48 am     and lest we forget...
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How about the fabulous Lloyd Green on Peter Cooper/Eric Brace "Master Sessions" as well as the "Lloyd Green Album" w/Peter Cooper. I wouldn't necessarily call these projects country, but "Americana" possibly at its best. Found the "Master Sessions" CD at a second-hand music store for $3.99. Still awesome every time you listen! Respectfully submitted, RK
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Ross Koeberl

 

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Post  Posted 1 May 2018 10:36 am    
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A lot of fun surprises in this topic, thanks to all for sharing! Happy to see some credit going to Mr. Hoffnar's work with Hem, I used to play those tunes all the time on college radio.

I went digging for answers as to Paul Franklin's work with Megadeth, and a topic from '01 suggested it was the song "Cryptic Warnings", you can definitely hear the evidence towards the end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6afWqjSwQ

I've really been enjoying this tune, a cover of the 80's Japanese electronic band Yellow Magic Orchestra, that's Will Van Horn on the steel:
https://khruangbin.bandcamp.com/track/firecracker

BJ Cole did some fun work with prog rockers, the first video is with Byzantium and the second is with Uriah Heap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHv_Pk-QiXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q39Om8sC4k

My favorite recent use of steel however is probably Susan Alcorn's work with Flock of Dimes. Very synth-poppy but integrates the steel beautifully, I can't stop listening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-p0KpuHufY[/url]
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Robert Rogers


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Manchester,TN
Post  Posted 10 May 2018 1:25 pm    
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Weldon Myrick played on seven bridges road
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Filipine Helu

 

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California, USA
Post  Posted 13 Jul 2023 1:49 am    
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Kapena - Talofa Teine

*sounds like it could be the C6 neck, but I’m pretty sure it’s pedal steel

https://youtu.be/bjKD81_EHIU
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John Larson


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Pennsyltucky, USA
Post  Posted 13 Jul 2023 2:39 pm    
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Greg Leisz played on several tracks on Daft Punk's Random Access Memories
https://youtu.be/IluRBvnYMoY
https://youtu.be/ajGKWk0auOc
https://youtu.be/zhl-Cs1-sG4
https://youtu.be/3T0NqvdUiWI
https://youtu.be/wz7YiQdNmZ8

and Bon Iver's Bon Iver
https://youtu.be/gt8gG9iEjpM
https://youtu.be/t60roHM1t7o
https://youtu.be/-XScQyx7jqU
https://youtu.be/KMfL7rVAu0U
https://youtu.be/7ssHe4i8yhk
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Joachim Kettner


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Post  Posted 24 Jul 2023 3:00 am    
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"Every Thing Must Change" by Paul Young. In my opinion one of the most beautiful songs ever written and recorded. I guess it's B.J. Cole on steel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLPeRDJGKvQ
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Joe Goldmark

 

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Post  Posted 29 Jul 2023 5:38 pm    
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This is a bit off the topic of why non-country producers add a steel guitar. However, this link shows steel guitarists from around the globe, who often insert the steel into their countries music. For example, Demola Adepoju from Nigeria.

http://vinylbeat.com/album-44-SteelGuitarAroundGlobe.html

Taken from my website www.Vinylbeat.com
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Fred Treece


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California, USA
Post  Posted 30 Jul 2023 8:21 am    
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That’s really cool, Joe. Like Santo and Johnny go to Bollywood.
And, leave it to the French for coming up with the least boring album cover😎
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Mike Polansky


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Austin, TX
Post  Posted 30 Jul 2023 12:08 pm    
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John Larson wrote:
Greg Leisz played on several tracks on Daft Punk's Random Access Memories
https://youtu.be/IluRBvnYMoY
https://youtu.be/ajGKWk0auOc
https://youtu.be/zhl-Cs1-sG4
https://youtu.be/3T0NqvdUiWI
https://youtu.be/wz7YiQdNmZ8


It was only on the Japanese version of RAM, but the song Horizon has some really beautiful playing by Mr. Leisz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBvJUdBeY5s

The new 10th anniversary edition has the song as a bonus track.
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Brett Day


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Post  Posted 1 Aug 2023 9:14 am    
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Paul Franklin also comes to mind because he toured with Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits and a few months ago, I was doing some research about records and songs he's played on, and I found out he played steel on a record by R&B artist Toni Braxton on a song called "If I Have To Wait For You". I found out, he also plays steel on a record by a band called PFR, which stands for Pray For Rain, and he's also played on a record with Peter Cetera, former lead singer and bass player with the rock band Chicago
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John Larson


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Post  Posted 2 Aug 2023 4:41 am    
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Mike Polansky wrote:
John Larson wrote:
Greg Leisz played on several tracks on Daft Punk's Random Access Memories
https://youtu.be/IluRBvnYMoY
https://youtu.be/ajGKWk0auOc
https://youtu.be/zhl-Cs1-sG4
https://youtu.be/3T0NqvdUiWI
https://youtu.be/wz7YiQdNmZ8


It was only on the Japanese version of RAM, but the song Horizon has some really beautiful playing by Mr. Leisz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBvJUdBeY5s

The new 10th anniversary edition has the song as a bonus track.


Agreed, I was listening to the anniversary edition while driving and was dismayed we didn't get that track on the original edition. Superb playing.
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Jim Fogarty


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Post  Posted 2 Aug 2023 7:50 pm    
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My power/pop band Travel Lanes put out a cd a week before the pandemic closed everything down. Duh-oh!!! So, it never got the attention it deserved, IMO. Anyway, I played PSG on a couple pop tunes, and like how it worked out. Not country at all!

Solos on this:

https://youtu.be/5T3sUtVy_nU

Ambient steel in the intro and verses:

https://youtu.be/MRi2xBRmO1k
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