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Greg Lambert


From:
Illinois, USA
Post Posted 28 Feb 2018 6:50 pm     Reply with quote

When I use a mic { Berihenger condenser , Peavey Studio ,
Shure 58. Cant figure it out. Going into Zoom R8.

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Jack Stoner


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Inverness, Fl
Post Posted 1 Mar 2018 3:04 am     Reply with quote

There are many "ifs". Placement of mic in reference to the speaker is one. The Zoom is another. Amp EQ setting. And more.

With the Zoom R8, are you recording a "wav" file or an MP3 file? A wav is full fidelity, an MP3 is something less than full fidelity and depending on the MP3 bitrate some are "more less" than full fidelity.
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Tony Prior


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Charlotte NC..
Post Posted 1 Mar 2018 3:42 am     Reply with quote

muddy ? cut the bottom end at 100 hz...start there. It's not the recorder, the mic or the instrument .

This is where our knowledge of the EQ spectrum comes front and center .
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Ian Rae


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Redditch, England
Post Posted 1 Mar 2018 5:03 am     Reply with quote

Start at the source - you haven't described your workspace. The "mud" may be coloration from room reflections. Even an SM57 close to the cone is not immune if a standing wave happens to have a node at that point.

Tony's suggestion of winding some bass out may help superficially, but of course you'll also remove bass you might want to hear.
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Greg Lambert


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Illinois, USA
Post Posted 1 Mar 2018 9:56 am     Reply with quote

I moved my bass to 2 and the shift to 800 plus used my Izzy and this helped immensely for a direct recording! I usually set my shift on 300 when playing out and this gets the sound I want but its a different animal on a recording.

the Izzy really helps with string separation sounds too.

Thanks for the input..
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Leroy Golden


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Muskegon, Michigan, USA
Post Posted 16 Mar 2018 6:36 am     Reply with quote

Direct in, volume pedal only in the chain, you can usually play around with it as much as you like after.
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werner althaus


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lincoln, NE
Post Posted 16 Mar 2018 6:44 pm     Reply with quote

get the amp off the floor and out of the corner if it isn't already, move the mics around to get closer to what you want, THEN use EQ to fine tune.
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Bob Hoffnar


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Austin, Tx
Post Posted 27 Mar 2018 12:57 pm     Reply with quote

Fresh strings might help
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Dave Stroud


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Canyon, TX
Post Posted 30 Mar 2018 8:39 pm     Reply with quote

I'm not an expert... But I wouldn't use a condenser mic in a room that isn't acoustically treated. That can create some muddiness. I acoustically treated our studio room by covering it with GIK bass traps and thick panels, and now condenser mics are much more usable. Going direct through great gear can be good, but that can be pricy too.
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Greg Cutshaw


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Corry, PA, USA
Post Posted 31 Mar 2018 6:22 am     Reply with quote

I use a Shure SM-57 into a Studio Projects pre-amp then in to the Zoom. I had no luck with the mic going direct to the Zoom. Muddy tone and lots of noise from the Zoom pre-amps. The Studio Projects pre-amp has zero detectable noise at any gain setting. It's as good as any higher priced unit I've tried. Love my Zoom for what it does and nothing is perfect.

My setup:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Zoom%20R24%20Home%20Studio/Zoom%20R24%20Home%20Studio.html


Studio Projects pre-amp:

https://www.amazon.com/Studio-Projects-VTB1-Microphone-Preamp/dp/B0002E3NQC/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1522506118&sr=8-14&keywords=studio+mic+preamp
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Greg Lambert


From:
Illinois, USA
Post Posted 3 Apr 2018 6:18 pm     Reply with quote

Greg Cutshaw wrote:
I use a Shure SM-57 into a Studio Projects pre-amp then in to the Zoom. I had no luck with the mic going direct to the Zoom. Muddy tone and lots of noise from the Zoom pre-amps. The Studio Projects pre-amp has zero detectable noise at any gain setting. It's as good as any higher priced unit I've tried. Love my Zoom for what it does and nothing is perfect.

My setup:

http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Zoom%20R24%20Home%20Studio/Zoom%20R24%20Home%20Studio.html


Studio Projects pre-amp:

https://www.amazon.com/Studio-Projects-VTB1-Microphone-Preamp/dp/B0002E3NQC/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1522506118&sr=8-14&keywords=studio+mic+preamp


That preamp is pretty slick. I really like the insert on the unit. I was using a studio Channel by presonus till it went out. Nothing but hiss from it now. They want $175 to repair it. No thanks , It only lasted a couple of years. I paid $299 for the unit. When it worked it was great.
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David Mitchell


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Texas, USA
Post Posted 9 Apr 2018 2:45 pm     Reply with quote

I bought an Audient id14 and got the clearest recorded sound I ever have by just going in the instrument direct in. I have $30,000.00 worth of studio amplification so I don't need to listen to my $300.00 Peavy session 500 while recording. I don't use headphones I listen to the big JBL 4430's built into a soffit wall with true stereo reverb. I suggest going direct. It will wash away a multitude of sins. Here is a little doodling I did with the Audient interface to avoid copyright issues. The pops and clicks were caused by a ground loop I have since solved. I'm use to using all transformer balanced equipment. Unbalanced barely shielded cables sometimes cause problems.


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