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David Matzenik


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Cairns, on the Coral Sea
Post Posted 20 Oct 2017 7:21 pm     Reply with quote

Here are links to two wonderful example of the Royal Hawaiian Hula played by Indonesian and Netherlands bands. Thanks to Harris Sulu for the links.

The Royal Hawaiian Hula has significance in both Holland and Indonesia as it comes from the playing of George de Fretes and Rudi Wairata, the masters of that genre.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc1horTxH2A&sns=em


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2brKJV-wL3U&sns=em
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David M Brown


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California, USA
Post Posted 21 Oct 2017 5:36 am     Reply with quote

Thanks. I really like both DeFretes and Wairata's style.

They played D6 tuning if I recall.
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Colin Bolton


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United Kingdom
Post Posted 24 Oct 2017 5:06 am     Re: Java-Hawaiian Steel Reply with quote

David Matzenik wrote:
Here are links to two wonderful example of the Royal Hawaiian Hula played by Indonesian and Netherlands bands. Thanks to Harris Sulu for the links.

The Royal Hawaiian Hula has significance in both Holland and Indonesia as it comes from the playing of George de Fretes and Rudi Wairata, the masters of that genre.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2brKJV-wL3U&sns=em


David,
Here is another one from a friend Walter Niesing, who lives in Niemagen, Holland. Hope link works.Colin.

https://youtu.be/IdYfm5zaQL4
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Peter den Hartogh


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Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 24 Oct 2017 4:06 pm     Reply with quote

Here is a recording I made in 2004. I also created the backing track and played an Rickenbacher ACE bakelite steel guitar, with the Sol Hoopii tuning. After the mixed song there are 2 short pieces without backing to hear the steel guitar alone.

https://youtu.be/Rh-JTN7NF80


Last edited by Peter den Hartogh on 26 Oct 2017 10:07 am; edited 1 time in total
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Bill Creller


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Saginaw, Michigan, USA
Post Posted 24 Oct 2017 6:15 pm     Reply with quote

Very well done Peter ! The old Rick ACE sounds great !! Very Happy
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Peter den Hartogh


From:
Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 26 Oct 2017 10:07 am     Reply with quote

Thank you, Bill.
I bought that Rick ACE from Joe Savage years ago and it is one of my best lap steels.
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Peter Garellick


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California, USA
Post Posted 31 Oct 2017 8:43 am     Reply with quote

Hi Peter, nice job on the recording!

I was wondering what exactly is the Sol Ho'opi'i tuning you used?

Mahalo, Peter
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Peter den Hartogh


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Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 31 Oct 2017 7:15 pm     Reply with quote

Sol Hoopii tuning is called C#m7

E high
C#
G#
E
B
G# low

This is similar to other tunings except the B is missing between strings 2 and 3.
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Peter Garellick


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California, USA
Post Posted 2 Nov 2017 1:56 pm     Reply with quote

Interesting...I thought he used an E on the lowest pitch string, but I could be mistaken.
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David M Brown


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California, USA
Post Posted 3 Nov 2017 5:55 am     Reply with quote

Peter Garellick wrote:
Interesting...I thought he used an E on the lowest pitch string, but I could be mistaken.


I have seen Sol's C#m/E6 as L to H

E B E G# C# E

comes from A low bass -

E A E A C# E by raising the low A to B and dropping the middle A to G#.
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Peter den Hartogh


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Cape Town, South Africa
Post Posted 3 Nov 2017 6:09 am     Reply with quote

Here are a couple more tunings:
https://steelguitarforum.com/Forum2/HTML/004754.html
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Michael B Scott


From:
Orlando Florida, USA
Post Posted 25 Nov 2017 1:24 am     George de Fretes & the Tielmans - live in 66 Reply with quote

Dig this...George de Fretes and the Tielmans in Holland rocking out on Waikapu 1966...wow...what a show that must have been!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYQWFzZeGQw&index=3&list=PLRSgn2Viw83HoMoORREcqSsetZHSmdq20

tired mule

ps. gotta love the photo of George playin' blindfolded...
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David Matzenik


From:
Cairns, on the Coral Sea
Post Posted 25 Nov 2017 1:19 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for the link, Michael. Its interesting stuff, shame the recording quality is not better. The fast falsetto in the first track is pretty good. The overall sound is noticeably influenced by Rock and Roll, especially the bass lines. A lot of "Hawaiian" albums released in the 1960s had that groove. I call it Rock-a-hula. Its fun, but to be frank, I don't care for electric bass. The notes do not decay musically.
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Bill Creller


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Saginaw, Michigan, USA
Post Posted 25 Nov 2017 9:31 pm     Reply with quote

I like the Royal Hawaiian Hula played in the lower register...D !! Very Happy
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Mitch Drumm


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Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
Post Posted 26 Nov 2017 2:35 am     Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l36fq35BoZM&list=PLxAz6DkZEEaWXyRHx-kDPUBidHVVI0PcC&index=40

I think the above Youtube is a 2012 radio show, possibly from the Netherlands.

Circa 14'20, the Eastern Aces do what I think is "Mukwai Hula", which I really like. Any more Hawaiian stuff from them? I think they are still active?

Then following after 37'00, I think I hear the DJ say something about "chicken skin" and then an introduction of Royal Hawaiian Hula. Does she say "de Fretes"??

Not sure of the language.
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David Matzenik


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Cairns, on the Coral Sea
Post Posted 26 Nov 2017 7:49 pm     Reply with quote

Yes, I recognised that recording as I transcribed it a couple of years ago. She pronounces the name as Zhorzh de Fraytes, which, I suppose, is what we should do.
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