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Nate Hofer


From:
Overland Park, Kansas
Post Posted 6 Mar 2017 7:59 pm     Reply with quote

Hey, all. Advice needed:

I'm trying a C6/A7 Low F tuning on a Gold Tone Paul Beard 8-string resonator.

The reso was designed for a G6 tuning but I prefer C6 so I adapted strings from a Beard G6 (high D) tuning. Had to add three new strings where appropriate.

Here's me playing it: https://youtu.be/cijLdSUwSXk

I'm a steel player so this acoustic approach is new to me. What are your thoughts? Are my strings right?

The tuning spelling and string gauges are:
E - .015
C - .018
A - .024
G - .028
E - .032
C# - .035
A - .054
F - .060

Here's the relation from the G6 to C6/A7 Low F

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Guy Cundell


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More idle ramblings from South Australia
Post Posted 6 Mar 2017 8:40 pm     Reply with quote

Great stuff, Nate. I love the demo. What an excellent reso tuning! I am wedded to A6 at the moment but you can see how close the pitches are. What I love about your tuning is getting the C# in there on the 6th string. I've tried raising the seventh string in A6 to get the same result but it is just too low in the voicing to work that well. Your idea looks great!

These are my deliberations to get to A6. My final is the column on the extreme right. The middle is a bit heavier than yours and the bottom, a bit lighter. I am getting it out of a six string set of Pearce's with a couple of extras in the middle.

I find this cuts through pretty well 'in traffic'. Tuning it down to G6 is ok but 'loading the cone', as Mr Eaton would have it, gives it more poke.

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Andy Volk


From:
Boston, MA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 4:26 am     Reply with quote

Body and Soul on resophonic; so cool, Nate!
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Gary Meixner


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New York, USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 8:08 am     Reply with quote

Nate,

Very nice arrangement. I can't speak to the specifics of the string gauges but the chord voicings sound balanced and clear.

Great playing!

Gary Meixner
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Scott Duckworth


From:
Etowah, TN Western Foothills of the Smokies
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 10:03 am     Reply with quote

I was using a little different set up for D6 on a 6-string sq neck...

D
A
F#
D
B
A

I now use a variation that makes it E6 on my lap steel, and I love it...

E
B
G#
E
C#
B
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Judson Adair


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Oklahoma, USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 1:49 pm     Reply with quote

So I also got a Gold Tone 8 string recently. I just restrung the whole thing and moved it to standard 8 string C6.

Here are the gauges I ended up going with.
C6th
G 0.012
E 0.014
C 0.017
A 0.021
G .024w
E .030w
C .036w
A .042w
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Guy Cundell


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 2:31 pm     Reply with quote

Judson Adair wrote:

Here are the gauges I ended up going with.
C6th
G 0.012
E 0.014
C 0.017
A 0.021
G .024w
E .030w
C .036w
A .042w


Interesting! Since Nate's post I've been thinking of trying this tuning on my Goldtone. My arrangements rely on the 5 being on the top string so I would go with the high G. Your string selection seems to be based on John Ely's recommendations, Judson. That is a safe choice but I would think his string gauges have electric instruments in mind. 'Loading the cone', or keeping sufficient pressure on the bridge is essential for reso projection. Even more so with 8 string than with six, in my experience. I think I will be tempted to go one size higher and move everything over a string with the top G on 0.014. Of course you don't want the thing to collapse, but by the same token, if you can't be heard above the fiddles and guitars then you may as well not be there.

I'd be interested to hear some of the real experts on this subject. Is Howard P around?
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Judson Adair


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 2:50 pm     Reply with quote

It seems to have plenty of tension and is way louder than any other guitar that I have ever played. To be fair I play in a trio so I don't have to be super loud. My trio is pretty great we have an upright bass player, I sing and switch between acoustic and dobro, then another guy sings and plays either mandolin or banjo while I am on acoustic or acoustic while I am playing slide. So I never have to much to get over. And honestly I am not great so might not be bad if folks can't hear me.
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Guy Cundell


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 2:59 pm     Reply with quote

Interesting. My experience was getting blown away with G6 by a bunch of 'la pomp' gypsy jazz players but just by tuning up to A6 with the same strings I was back in the game.
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Howard Parker


From:
Clarksburg,MD USA
Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 3:09 pm     Reply with quote

My name was dropped Cool

Any of the gauges +/- .002 mentioned above will get you where you'd like.

The issue with resonator guitars is that those skinny C6 high strings can't excite the cone as well as a lower G6 or A6 tuning.

That being said, if you like the way the guitar sounds in C6 just go for it. Very Happy

FWIW, Audridge's "Eight String Swing" album was all G6. He added C6 when he played the MA-8 but over time settled on the ballsier A6 tuning in addition to the G6 guitar.

That's all I got!

h
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L. Bogue Sandberg


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Post Posted 7 Mar 2017 4:57 pm     Reply with quote

For those of us too set in our ways to move away from a G based tuning, there's the Bb6/G7:

D - .016
Bb - .018
G - .028
F - .030
D - .036
B - .046
G - .056
F - .058 (Eb to match Nate's intervals)

using the same gages as my G13. I haven't fooled with this for awhile, but it gives those nice chord voicings Nate was demonstrating. It's a way to try the tuning without restringing.
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Judson Adair


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Oklahoma, USA
Post Posted 8 Mar 2017 7:00 am     Reply with quote

Guy,
Here is a video of us playing. It was one take just messing around on my back porch and I mess up in a few spots but I think you can hear me just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTofJS0UnEU
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Nate Hofer


From:
Overland Park, Kansas
Post Posted 8 Mar 2017 6:37 pm     Reply with quote

Howard Parker wrote:
My name was dropped Cool

Any of the gauges +/- .002 mentioned above will get you where you'd like.

The issue with resonator guitars is that those skinny C6 high strings can't excite the cone as well as a lower G6 or A6 tuning.


Howard, take a close look at my post and sting gauges. My thinnest string is a .015 on the high E. That's very similar to a high D string on a standard Dobro tuning. In fact I've adopted almost all the strings from a Beard G6 set give or take a little on three of the strings.

Thoughts?

I wish I could compare to other tunings but I'm pretty set on C6/A7 Low F.
Nate
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Stefan Robertson


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London, UK
Post Posted 9 Mar 2017 2:15 am     Reply with quote

Nate. My brother from another mother.

I've been listening to steel in a duo vs full band setting. You will be fine.

your tuning has the flexibility to do both.

When playing in a duo - don't play in the same octave as the other instrument continuously . Alternate your lower and higher voicings.

In a band setting you definitely need to use your higher register to stand out.

Your tuning is fine.
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Nate Hofer


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Overland Park, Kansas
Post Posted 9 Mar 2017 5:04 am     Reply with quote

Just to be clear, I'm mainly interested in the string gauges. I love my tuning! (As you well know, Bilal, my brother!)

What's tough for me is understanding a new-to-me realm of acoustic string tension for an instrument only a handful of people on this planet seem to be interested in playing! Ha.
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Bosse Engzell


From:
�ppelbo, SWEDEN
Post Posted 12 Mar 2017 11:50 am     Reply with quote

Hi Nate, nice to hear and "old" song played in that way, so cool, love it.

Bosse in Sweden
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