Universal copedents: Newman vs. Cowboy

Justin Emmert · From: Greensboro, NC

I recently got a BMI Universal switched over to Cowboy Eddie Long's copedent. I've been working through Newmans E9/B6 video figuring which standard C6 pedals match up to Cowboy's pedals so that in future C6 video lessons, I can more easily adapt. Would someone that knows much more on E9/B6 check my work and see if I have the right of it so far?

P4 Newman= P5 Cowboy (boowah)
P5 Newman= P6 Cowboy
P6 Newman= LKR Cowboy (maybe???)
P7 Newman= P1 + P2 Cowboy

I do not have Cowboys or Newmans P8. I have no idea what can be done with Cowboys P7 or LKR....yet. But I guess I'll figure it out. Just trying to get the B6 basics first so I can work on another video lesson.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

There is something really cool about squeezing 6 up to M7, and Eddie's P7 is the standard C6 P4.
I don't quite get Eddie's ditching of the standard C6th P6: I kinda like having the high E/low D, but he also ditches the standard P7
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Justin Emmert · From: Greensboro, NC

I was hoping you would chime in Lane. I can get P7 with pedals 1 & 2, which is kinda cool I think. I already see how using them and switching back and forth from E9 to C6 will work really well.

But how to get the standard P6? Newman says the most important is the standard P6, so I'm just wondering how the high E/low D on LKR will work.

I think maybe I should look at a standard C6 copedent too.

Lane Gray · From: Topeka, KS

I just now saw it.
Let go of RKR, hit LKR. Voila, P6.
It still means double-footing, since P7 is 1 and 2, and P5 is on P6.
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Justin Emmert · From: Greensboro, NC

Wow, thanks Lane. That is interesting. I've got to pick up a beginner C6 lesson now and put some of this stuff to work. I'll hopefully figure some of the others as I get going on it.

Olli Haavisto · From: Jarvenpaa,Finland

It would be nice to answer: oh, I play the Cowboy setup.
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Justin Emmert · From: Greensboro, NC

After reading Lanes helpful input, I decided it was probably better to try and match up Cowboys copedent with a standard C6 copedent. This way I can more easily match up to the C6 course I just ordered. So, here's what I came up with looking at a standard Emmons C6 copedent compared to Cowboy Eddie Long's E9/B6 copedent. I don't guarantee the accuracy, but maybe it will help someone else in the future.

Buddy P4=Cowboy P7
Buddy P5= Cowboy P6
Buddy P6= Cowbow LKL, no RKR
Buddy P7= Cowboy P1 + P2
Buddy P8= Cowboy P5
Buddy LKL-
Buddy LKR= Cowboy P1
Buddy RKL=V
Buddy RKR-

Ian Worley · From: Sacramento, CA

It seems unnecessarily confusing to refer to the pedals the way you are here. I believe most folks would call the first pedal on the Cowboy chart "P0", then A, B, C, P4, P5, etc. From that perspective, your A, B, C, P4, P5 are standard uni (C6 P8 is P4 on a uni).

Since you don't have Cowboy's "P8", it's just your P6 (the seventh pedal) that is different. If you moved your P0 to the right end and added the C# raise and it's a standard P7.

The pedal called "P7" on the Cowboy chart, B->Bb (P6 position) seems somewhat redundant with LKV -- how does he use this? Since he has the Bb on the knee, I'm not seeing what the advantage is over having a standard P6 there.

Also, you noted that Cowboy's P7=standard P4. P4 would actually raise 6 an 10 a whole step, not lower 5 and 9.

Justin Emmert · From: Greensboro, NC

You're correct Ian that the naming is a bit unnecessary as I too think of them as 0,A,B,C,1,2....etc. I just did it because the pic of Cowboys copedent shows them as P1, P2, P3, etc.

Cowboy says he gets a lot of his unique sounds from the P0 and I'm guessing that's why its there. There's a small discussion on it that I started here:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=287326&highlight=eddie+long

I didn't put Cowboy's P8 on there because the BMI guys and Cowboy himself told me he never uses it.

I'm not sure how he uses P7. Standard C6 P4 raises strings 3 & 7 a whole tone to B, while Cowboys P7 raises 4 & 8 a 1/2 tone to Bb. They look similar but, I'm unsure. My theory is weak.

I hope to one day sit down to a few lessons with Cowboy himself once I am more comfortable with the basics of C6.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

I'm confused by the 6th string compensator on P4. Does it raise or lower? I expect the F# compensators to lower, but I've never seen one on the G# string.

Also, what does the "D -COM" on LKR mean?
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Tony Oresteen · From: Georgia, USA

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

A compensator pull is one that adjusts by a few cents to keep things in tune. They are typically used to lower the F# strings a bit to tune them to the pedaled C#.
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Tony Oresteen · From: Georgia, USA

Thanks b0b!
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