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Topic: My own chord charts |
Lane Gray
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 6:29 am |
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B is one fret down from C. A is three frets down from C. G is five frets down from C (letting off the A&B pedals is like moving down five frets. Always)
F is three up from D, or five up from C (adding the A&B pedals is like moving UP 5 frets). Here is the relationship of each of the "white notes" to each other, also called the C major scale, I'm starting with the top and going down. (I'll draw it and post it, it doesn't work well in plain text)
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 6:53 am
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In order to keep that spacing of (counting frets for you, although seasoned musicians talk in terms of steps. I really feel for you, buddy; in making one of the most complicated instruments your first, you get to learn the language of music at the same time you make your body do strange things) 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1 all other keys have some of their notes sharped or flatted
The scales of the most common country and bluegrass keys are as follows:
G: G, A, B, C, D, E, F#
D: D, E, F#, G, A, B, C#
A: A, B, C#, D, E, F#, G#
E: E, F#, G#, A, B, C#, D#
B: B, C#, D#, E, F#, G# A#
F: F, G, A, Bb, C, D, E
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 6:57 am
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That doesn't look too confusing....I'll just have to study it a bit.
Tell me if I have this right.
The B-chord can be found at frets 2, 4, 9 and 12 with grips 7-8-10, 5-7-8, 4-5-7, 2-5-7, 1-4-5 and 1-2-5?
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 7:01 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| I really feel for you, buddy; in making one of the most complicated instruments your first, you get to learn the language of music at the same time you make your body do strange things) |
Actually, I can play more on my PSG than on my acoustic! I had learned a simple way of Playing Amazing Grace in about a week. Something must be wired backwards in my attic!
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 7:30 am
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| Jason Bergeron wrote: |
That doesn't look too confusing....I'll just have to study it a bit.
Tell me if I have this right.
The B-chord can be found at frets 2, 4, 9 and 12 with grips 7-8-10, 5-7-8, 4-5-7, 2-5-7, 1-4-5 no. N and 1-2-5? |
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B chord is at the nut and at fret 12 in the form you mentioned (but you'd have to drop the Es). At fret 2 with the AB pedals, 7 no pedals, 10 AF
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Jason Bergeron
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 7:33 am
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So in other words, Open, Fret 2, Fret 7, Fret 10 and Fret 12 with the string groups I listed?
Fret 10 with A pedal, LKL (F lever)?
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Joe Huggins
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Bear River City,Utah, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 8:00 am
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| Jason Bergeron wrote: |
| Joe Huggins wrote: |
OK. Here is the relationship that Lane was talking about.
Compare your: C Chart fret 3 & D Chart fret 5
C Chart fret 8 & D Chart fret 10
C Chart fret 11 & D Chart fret 13
Do you see the relationships? C to D is 2 frets. 3 to 5 is 2 frets. 8 to 10 is 2 frets. 11 to 13 is 2 frets.
All your charts should look about the same with just the fret numbers changed. |
What other chords are related like that besides C and D? E and F? Are there any B chords? |
All chords to all chords. Start with any chord with any combonation of strings, pedals and knees and that chord can be made any other chord by moving only the bar to the right fret and useing the same combonation of strings, pedals and knees. Lane will streighten me out if i'm wrong about this. |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 8:15 am Chord Chart In Tab Form
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This is not all inclusive, but I believe useful...
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Key of C ()=7th
.......I chord......|....IV chord.....|.......V chord......|.......ii chord..........
1___________________|_________________|____________________|_________________________
2___________________|_________________|____________________|_________________________
3___3B____8____11___|__1____8B____4___|__3____6_______10B__|___1_____6_____8B________
4___3_____8____11F__|__1____8_____4F__|__3____6F______10___|___1_____6E____8C________
5___3A____8____11A__|__1____8A____4A__|__3____6A______10A__|___1A____6_____8C________
6___3B____8____11___|__1____8B____4___|__3____6_______10B__|___1_____6_____8B________
7___________________|_________________|____________________|_________________________
8___3_____8____11F__|__1____8_____4F__|__3____6F______10___|___1_____6E____8_________
9___________________|_________________|____________________|_________________________
10__3A____8____11A__|__1____8A____4A__|__3____6A______10A__|___1A____6_____8_________
.......iii chord.......|.....vi chord......|vii chord (dim/V7)|.....aug chord.......
1______________________|___________________|__________________|_____________________
2______________________|___________________|__________________|_____________________
3____3_____8_____10B___|__1_____3B_____8___|__3_____6_____9___|__3B____7B____11B____
4____3_____8E____10C___|__1E____3C_____8___|__3F____6F____9F__|__3F____7F____11F____
5____3A____8_____10C___|__1_____3C_____8A__|__3_____6_____9___|__3A____7A____11A____
6____3_____8_____10B___|__1_____3B_____8___|__3_____6_____9___|__3B____7B____11B____
7______________________|___________________|__________________|_____________________
8____3_____8E____10____|__1E____3______8___|__3F____6F____9F__|__3F____7F____11F____
9______________________|___________________|__________________|_____________________
10___3A____8_____10____|__1_____3______8A__|__3_____6_____9___|__3_____7A____11A____
.......Maj7 chord.......|......7th chord.....|..9th..|...m6...
1_______________________|____________________|_______|_______________________________
2_______________________|____________________|_______|_______________________________
3____3_____8______10B___|__1B_____8_____11___|___1B__|___6B__________________________
4____3_____8E_____10____|__1E_____8_____11F__|___1E__|___6E__________________________
5____3A____8______10A___|__1______8_____11___|___1A__|___6A__________________________
6____3_____8______10B___|__1B_____8_____11___|___1B__|___6B__________________________
7_______________________|____________________|_______|_______________________________
8____3_____8E_____10____|__1E_____8_____11F__|___1E__|___6E__________________________
9________________(10)___|________(8)_________|_______|_______________________________
10___3A____8______10A___|__1______8_____11___|___1A__|___6A__________________________
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Joe Huggins
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Bear River City,Utah, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 8:17 am
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| I hope Lane confirms this because it's this concept that made all this random chaos fall into logical order for me. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 8:58 am
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Right you are, Joe. I predict that Jason will have a "light bulb moment" when it all falls together.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Tommy Auldridge
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 9:32 am One big ooops, for Dick
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Dick: You have an error right near the beginning. Fret 6 with A pedal could serve as a C7th. but if you add the F knee lever, you've turned it into a G...
Tommy..... |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 10:03 am Thank you...
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| Thank you Tommy, I miss read my cheat sheet as I typed it into this thread. Pretty sure I got that one corrected. Any more, let me know. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 10:14 am
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Right, the "V chord" is a G.
From that tab, here are the majors and minors in the key of C. The idea of roman numerals is to use uppercase for major chords and lowercase for minors. Nashville numbering just uses numbers instead of letters:
I chord = 1 = C
ii chord = 2m = Dm
iii chord = 3m = Em
IV chord = 4 = F
V chord = 5 = G
vi chord = 6 = Am
vii chord = 7mb5 = Bdim (sort of)
Beginners needn't worry about the vii - it isn't used much. We include it for completeness. The other chords in Dick's excellent tab above are more advanced.
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Bengt Erlandsen
From:
Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 10:26 am
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When I first learned the roman numeral system I tried memorize the
I chord = 1 = C
ii chord = 2m = Dm
iii chord = 3m = Em
IV chord = 4 = F
V chord = 5 = G
vi chord = 6 = Am
vii chord = 7mb5 = Bdim (sort of)
the lightbulb moment for me was when I wrote em slightly different like this
( 0) I chord = 1 = C
( 1) --------
( 2) ii chord = 2m = Dm
( 3) --------
( 4) iii chord = 3m = Em
( 5) IV chord = 4 = F
( 6) --------
( 7) V chord = 5 = G
( 8) --------
( 9) vi chord = 6 = Am
(10) --------
(11) vii chord = 7mb5 = Bdim (sort of)
(12) I chord = 1 = C
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Tommy Auldridge
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 10:49 am Another error for Dick
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| I have to point out another error in Dick's tab. The 2 chord (Dm) at the first fret. Shouldn't that be A pedal only and not the E knee lever? I'm sure Dick will agree, haste makes waste. Tommy..... |
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Dick Sexton
From:
Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 12:55 pm Once again...
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Thank you Tommy, you nailed it. If nothing else I'm going over these changes repeatedly. Haha...
Good to have someone look after us old folks.
Just a point... We should never feel threatened or get upset when someone finds or points out a mistake in our work. No one is perfect, no not one, and working together to produce a better product, benefits all.
Once again, thank you Tommy, I appreciate you being there and having my back and letting me know. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 1:48 pm
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That's a real good visualization, Bengt. I'm going to steal your idea for my next Cloverdale Music Workshop lecture. 
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Tommy Auldridge
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 1:55 pm Great
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Dick: I knew you had just accidently made a mistake. I've been following your posts for a long time and can see that you put a lot of work into whatever you tab out.
Anybody that never makes mistakes, isn't doing much. I don't know how to include one of those smiley face things, or I would. Thanks, Tommy...... |
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Jason Bergeron
From:
Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 17 Dec 2014 2:52 pm
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I'm so glad to see everyone's input on this topic and how in one way or another we're able to help each other out 
I had no idea this topic would get so much attention and also, receive all this invaluable information!
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 18 Dec 2014 7:29 am
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The one thing missing in your charts, but not in Bobby's,
is that chord are more than a little bit used as 4 notes than simple triads
and often enough in 5 notes. Such as a C9 chord being
C, E, G, Bb and D
1, 3, 5, 7b, and 9th
And often you must pick your position and pedals to add those upper scale degrees as much or more than the lower triad, because the band has those notes on several instruments already, and the steel is adding harmonic spice on top.
For instance you might be playing a 5 and 7 on top of the band doing 1,3,4,7.
So it would be good to expand your charts by at least that 4th note.
Otherwise lots of good work above.
I did something similar for C6 neck,
but as positional on an 10 string expanded version from six string C6.
And with each pedal and P-L combinations. A lotof work but great for understanding.
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