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? About 14 hole bellcranks

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I've got the setup sheet and I'm setting up my C6th neck and if the sheet shows for example 5-7 how is that counted on the bellcrank? Thanks for any help anyone can give me. Dan Layne
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1 is the one closest to the cross rod & highest # is at the end of bell crank.
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Re: ? About 14 hole bellcranks

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dlayne wrote:I've got the setup sheet and I'm setting up my C6th neck and if the sheet shows for example 5-7 how is that counted on the bellcrank? Thanks for any help anyone can give me. Dan Layne
Dan,

This example you've given translates to the threaded end of the pull rod going in the 5th changer hole (farthest from the axle) and the opposite end going in the 7th hole in the bell crank (away from the cross bar).
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Butbutbut how are they numbered, being in two ranks?
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Emmons 14-Hole Rodding Chart

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Lane Gray wrote:Butbutbut how are they numbered, being in two ranks?
Lane,

Here is a scan of the Emmons 14-hole rodding chart.

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Lane, they're staggered columns,so two is a little higher than one, and fourteen is highest.
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Slight correction to Lynn's description, #5 is the furthest from the axle, closest to the drop return spring.
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Higher the number, farther from pivot point.
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Jack Strayhorn wrote:Slight correction to Lynn's description, #5 is the furthest from the axle, closest to the drop return spring.
Jack is correct of course. I knew better... In my haste to write I must have had a senior moment :oops:
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I wish all steel manufacturers would do this. I've been struggling with my MSA and this would be a great help...
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Post by Tony Glassman »

Jack Strayhorn wrote:Higher the number, farther from pivot point.
I've always used a similar system when assembling or disassembling guitars:

A - F at the changer
1 - 14 at the bellcranks

Like Jack stated, the farther from the pivot point, the higher the value.........but, maybe this Emmons "code" is a bit easier!

Also, re: Legrand 14 hole bell crank
- it's useful to remember that the front row of holes are odd numbers and the back row (furthest from changer) are even numbers.

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Thanks for all the help much appreciated, after posting I gave Billy Knowles a call & he took the time to fully explain it. The bell crank is numbered as odd & even,, odd row is facing the changer end & even is facing the key head end,, and the changer is numbered as follows,, position 1 is the first hole closest to the return springs,,again thanks to everyone for the help,Dan Layne
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Post by Lane Gray »

On the changer, the first hole is closest to the STRINGS, not springs. Notice all the raises are 3 or under, and the lowers are 4 and up.
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To my my good pal and great tech, Lynn Stafford, I realize you knew the difference and in no way was my correction meant to be anything but helpful. I realize you knew that but wanted other readers to know. There is not a more knowledgeable tech or finer fellow than Lynn Stafford.
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Hi Jack,

Thanks so very much my friend. You have no idea how much your kindness means to me, along with your friendship through all many years we've known each other. I still have memories of first knowing you in the early 90's when I bought my first Emmons steel from you. You were so very friendly, gracious, helpful and professional in your capacity there and through the years ever since.

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Jack Strayhorn wrote:........... There is not a more knowledgeable tech or finer fellow than Lynn Stafford...........
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