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Jay Dee Maness · From: North Hills, CA

I tried one of the new Evans amps in St. Louis and found that I too had to run the reverb up to 8 to get even close to what I wanted. I don`t think this should be. You should only run it to around 3 to 5 max and have all the reverb you need. They told me that this amp had all sorts of new internal design changes well I wasn`t impressed with the sound at all. Maybe it was just that one amp. I have Four Evans amps and while they are all a bit different sounding from one to the other, they all are just great sounding amps. My amps are middle to late 1980s models. JayDee.

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

Obviously "new and improved" isn't necessisarily better. As was mentioned in another thread, most of the newer amps have crappy reverbs. With the current electronics technology they should be able to build in a solid state (electronic) reverb that would be better than the old mechanical spring. Nostalgia aside, the electro-mechanical spring is really inefficient and outdated.

Greg Derksen · From: Alberta, Canada

Jay Dee, I would be curious what specifically those new internal design changes are. If they made changes, I hope
they were not cost cutting componant quality
changes, which today seems to be the way
it can go.
Sometimes when we read " New Changes" the
first thought is "Better", better for what?
I have played an older Evans a friend had
and thought it was very nice, clear, not at
all muddy, but have heard similar things
about the newer ones. It wouldn't surprise
me to see the value of the older ones creep
up in value, if the sound values are that different.
Greg

[This message was edited by Greg Derksen on 20 November 2000 at 08:47 AM.]

[This message was edited by Greg Derksen on 20 November 2000 at 08:48 AM.]

Jay Ganz · From: Out Behind The Barn

I'm not sure if this is the case with those
particular amps, but what I've found is
the older amps (from various companies) used
individual transistors in the circuitry (&
in some cases, FET transistors which are current dependent like tubes rather than voltage depedent like regular transistors).

Anyhow, nowadays the preamps get IC chips
to take the place of several transistors or
even an entire circuit!
They just ain't the same.

Steve Feldman · From: Central MA USA

Their new rack preamps are now High Voltage and they have pots for both the Expand and Depth controls (vs. toggles on older models). I assume these are some of the changes on the combos as well, eh?

Greg Derksen · From: Alberta, Canada

Good Point Jay Ganz, I heard a good line the other day that I don't think I buy, It goes,
" These new Amps need time to break in, the speakers and electronics need use". I might
give the speaker thing a little grace, but
alot of great sounding tones from the 60's
and 70's were used on new amps.
Its really based I think more on the quality
components more than anything. The transformers alone would make a difference let alone this IC chip crap. Greg

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Hey JD; those old Evans amps were made out of Pine for the box and the new ones made out of Birch wood.
The differnce Is in the box.
To prove it; right before Darrell Stephens left the company; I had him put all new head/electronic/speaker bla bla that they had out at the time in a original Evans pine box; and it blew any new Evans with the birch box "AWAY".
This was early '90s.

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Lee Baucum · From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier

Rick - When did Evans change from pine to birch? I believe my old early 80's Evans has a pine cabinet.

You know how excited you get when you order a new toy? I had finally saved up enough cash to order a new Evans and I called up Darrell to order the amp. He talked me into ordering the large cabinet, and I'm glad he did. Well, I waited and waited and waited some more for the amp, but it never arrived. Of course, in those days, Darrell was working full time at his day job and building amps in the shop in the back yard in the evenings. Well, as luck would have it, he finally got my amp built, but his cabinet maker had an accident and cut one of his hands and one arm real bad and couldn't build any more cabinets for a while. So, now Darrell had the chassis, but no cabinet to put it in. I had to wait several more months until the hand and arm healed before I finally got my amp. I was about to explode with anticipation when the amp was finally shipped. It was well worth the wait. It is still an incredible sounding amp. I just can't see how they could have improved the sound, as they claim to have done, with the HV model. I love my old LV.

Lee, from South Texas

[This message was edited by Lee Baucum on 23 November 2000 at 08:43 AM.]

Jay Ganz · From: Out Behind The Barn

Theoretically, pine cabinets resonate alot
better (being one piece of solid wood) for
a fuller overall tone. Birch is supposed
to project more high end. You'd almost
have to have two identical amps in
each type of cabinet (side by side) to really compare 'em. Some amps use particle board,
but that's another story!

Steve Feldman · From: Central MA USA

Tight-grained quarter-sawn Sitka spruce...now THERE'S the ticket...

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Hey Lee I'm not sure when. I've never been a huge Evans guy; but one time I played through Charlie Norris' amp and it was the old Pine box and he had the new ones there in the shop too(In the '90s) and that's when I decided I wanted an amp like his.
I would say they changed when they started high production and company started changing over.
Ricky

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